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If pedophiles made films for pedophiles . . .


and were given a huge budget, crew, etc to produce them, I think they's come up with something along the lines of Larry Clarks body of work.

Just look at the crap he's done, it's all kids, kids, and more kids, tossing off, fu_cking, oral, you name it he has them doing it half naked or completely in the nuddy. It's acting out if you ask me. I know he uses actors that only 'look' young, but it all amounts to the same thing.

Makes you wonder if pedophilia will one day be acceptable after watching crap like this. How anyone could enjoy watching this, let alone praise this film in any way is beyond me! Larry Clark is a kiddy fiddler. One who seems to have a preferance for young boys judging by his films, although i'd say he probably isn't that fussy :P

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I assume you've seen Larry Clark's other films Bully and Teenage Caveman!? Like I've said many times before Ken Park is absoilutely pornographic!

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I'd be lying if I said I'd seen all his films in there entirety, I've seen enough of all of them to pass some king of judgement. I did endure ALL of Ken Park unfortunately. I honestly did give it a fair chance. To be fiar I did like the way it was shot, and the muted depressing tones throughout the film worked really well, even the story wasn't THAT bad! I just don't see why the more sexual stuff seems to be shown at such a macro level. It's insulting in a way. It's as if he thinks none of us know what all these sex acts look or feel like, and we cannot work out what is going on for ourselves. It's pornographic padding to make up for the unimaginative plot.

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May I ask what other Larry Clark films have you seen? Teenage Caveman was erotic but not pornographic. Bully was soft porn. But Ken Park to me is hardcore porn! He's gone too far this time!

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You shud see Larry Clark's segment on Destricted now that is pornographic!!

'Here Is A Man That Would Not Take It Anymore!!'

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Destricted! That's a new one on me Sandspider1, I'll go and look it up.

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Just read it. It's a porn movie because there are porn stars in it. Yes Larry Clark is a porn movie director!

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I'd be lying if I said I'd seen all his films in there entirety, I've seen enough of all of them to pass some king of judgement. I did endure ALL of Ken Park unfortunately. I honestly did give it a fair chance. To be fiar I did like the way it was shot, and the muted depressing tones throughout the film worked really well, even the story wasn't THAT bad! I just don't see why the more sexual stuff seems to be shown at such a macro level. It's insulting in a way. It's as if he thinks none of us know what all these sex acts look or feel like, and we cannot work out what is going on for ourselves. It's pornographic padding to make up for the unimaginative plot.

To some degree, I think this judgment is fair. But what about all those screen kisses? We all know what a kiss looks like, but there are thousands of people who are willing to invest many words in dissecting the great screen kisses in minute detail according to their merit. The great screen blow jobs get short shrift by comparison. Maybe the screen kisses are insulting too.

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WOW I'M SO GLAD U JUST SAID TEENAGE CAVEMEN! i didn't know it was one of his films.. i watched it a few years ago really baked and noone has ever heard of it and i remember it being really rediculas. snap.. good to know i didn't just make that up in my head

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its one of teh *beep* movies ive ever seen haha.

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Well said. I think he has some sort of sick Fetish with this stuff where since he is making movies he has the chance to take advantage to see this stuff in real life legally without having to lure little boys to his house. Kind of like how some directors put nudity in film to get to see free boobie shots.

Imagine how it must be to be actually their with them filming this stuff and how the actors have to go thru so much. I'm sure if you read about these films in the making that their are some upsetting situations and wierd stuff. I mean see the interviews about the Mark Folleye kids and how they say he was a wierdo who seemed like a possible kiddy liker.

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Never heard of Mark Folleye, sorry.

Did you know the director Victor Salva (Jeepers Creepers) is a convicted child rapist? He raped/molested a young lad in one of the very films he was directing, called 'Clownhouse' Larry Clark is part of the Salva kiddy fiddler club as far as I'm concerned, he's creating his own wank fantasies on film and releasing them to the public! With films like this being made and even worse still ALLOWED to be show in cinemas, and sold on DVD, then it's only a matter of time before pedophilia is an accepted form of sexual preferance such as gay, hetro, bi etc.

I swear that Todd Solondz, another director, is a DEFINITE kiddy fiddler. His films are a pedo's wank fantasy also! He always gets kids in his films somewhere or another, and usually with some real inappropriate sh!t going on!

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Gawd
Someone needs to tell this moron that pedofiles aren't into 22 year old MEN!
Jeez dude check the ages of the people in his films. ANY actor involved in a sexual scene is over the age of 18. If a pedofile was turned on by men age 18+.... well they wouldnt be pedos would they? I believe you call those people GAY MEN.

And if you've seen Larry Clarks latest film called Wassup Rockers, the cast is mostly made up of minors. There's NO nudity and hardly anything sexual in the film at all.
He talks about that in the directors commentary how he would never put these minor boys in that position.


"It's not who you know, it's who knows you"

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Yeah, people so quickly pass Larry off as some pervert. He is no pervert, he is a spectacular filmmaker who enjoys to show the realism of modern youth, so other youths can relate. People say it all is unrelatable, but it's not. I am a teenager, and I relate heavily with the teens in Wassup Rockers. I'm passed off by people of different social classes because of how I am. I learned to not care, but this movie gave me hope. Ken Park is relatable on many plateaus for me, because of the way Claude felt like almost a stranger to his father. It's tough stuff to go through.

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i think larry clark is very bold and very daring in his approach to film-making. there are no-off limits. i see him as the "eminem" of film directors - he is unafraid to speak his mind and his subject matter has real resonance and asks important questions... like eminem he is loved by his fans and always will be but those who protest to his art really have it in for him, so much so that they even suggest that he is a pedophile etc (see other threads)

A lie is already halfway round the world before the truth can get its pants on - Churchill

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Em isn't that out there. Try Dead Prez.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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Ummm...no. He filmed himself giving a blowjob to a 14-year old boy. That's totally unacceptable and was rightly punished with a lengthy prison sentence. But it's not what you've described at all.

Also, Solondz films are so not sexy. I can scarcely think of anything less sexy than his body of work. I mean, even his sex scene are anti-sexy.

As for Clark, I think his films are accurate. Wassup Rockers? and Kids are absolutely spot on with my experiences. Well, not mine, but I was friends with kids who could have been characters in either of those two films.


,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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not wanna to take part in anyway, but


Ask yourself this, "Would you leave your kids alone with Larry Clark?".


this one was funny :D

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I would never leave my children alone with anyone whom I was not totally familiar and comfortable with. If Clark was a family friend and I deemed him trustworthy, then yes.

But, as I don't even HAVE kids, that situation is 4 hypotheticals deep.

I would not let my children star in one of his movies, however. I grew up in LA knew a few successful child actors...they're all pretty messed up in one way or another. Some of them pulled through and are doing good now. Others...? Not so much. Acting is just not an environment I would want to place my children into.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

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I think the sexual scenes in this film are far from pornographic. the majority of them made me want to turn my head in disgust. not in the "OMG how indecent I'm so disgusted I'm writing my congressman" sort of way, but more in the "how tragic that this is the only way these people know how to connect with other humans". I'll still admit this is his most gratuitous and sensationalized of all his films, but someone would have to have psychological complexes even more disturbing than pedophilia to find this film erotic.

supposedly the script of this film was based on stories kids had told him at the local skate park in Visalia, CA where the movie was filmed, and where I grew up and still live. this movie is an amazing portrait of the side of this town, and america as a whole, that most don't want to admit exists. it should have been less gratuitous, but for the sake of the story, not censorship, and after watching wassup rockers tonight it seems clark has finally learned his lesson in that respect.

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how can you be a "kiddy fiddler" when you're portraing people of legal age? i think ken park is a good movie if it wasn't for the graphic sex scenes. there's no point in having them there because there is already porno available if you want to watch people having sex. especially the last 3-way scene was just stupid. it didnt add anything to the movie at all. even though i dont think that larry clark is a peadophile (i just think he knows that controversy means money) i have to admit though, "ken park", "kids" etc. there is a lot of half naked boys in larry clarks movies...

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I think Larry Clark is a fairly bad director. His obsession with making movies about the youth of today seems to depict us as a bunch of naked fools who spend our days drinking, smoking and *beep* each other.

Larry Clark is a repetitive director who needs to try a new perspective, or at least throw in a bit of realism every here and there.

Mischief.Mayhem.Soap

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To the user OPENSTORAGE : What a remarkable display of ignorance, prejudice and sexual repression representative of the worst excesses of christerdom! Ken Parks is an honest story of lower class teenagers and their problems and how they deal with them. Most sex scenes were actually tender and tasteful ( the mom and best friend, as well as the thresome at the end).
You clearly have no idea of what paedophilia is, so let me educate you: p. is a mental afliction that manifests itself in sexual desire for PREPUBISCENT children. I´m sure you´ve watched K.P. often and avidly enough to notice that no such thing took place.
If I´m to hazard a guess, you´re a staunch American Republican, and you´ve watched Ken P. at least five times, each time reaching a climax ... of righteous outrage! Am I right?

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Oh dear, due to the initials for a split second I thought you were insinuating something about OS' viewing habits =)

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I thought the sex scenes were great; but they pretty much relegated the film to the genre of "trash exploitation". (SPOILER) It was the murder of the grandparents that disturbed me. That scene was so off.

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It's a movie, people! It's not, nor is it meant to be, real life!

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