WAYYYYY TOO MUCH MALE NUDITY
IM THINK IM GONNA BE SICK NOW
shareWhy should they put so much difference between male full frontal nudity and female frontal nudity?
Why should wemon always show everything and when it comes to men just their backs or something that blocks THE view.
I am not gay or something. All I say is that there should be a balance. Films are filled with women showing their body(and lots of BOOOOOBs) while the most explicit male nudity you always see is their back. Of course thats for the USA, Non-American movies try to be more realistic. But all filmmakers should try to balance their amount of nudity between men and women.
Also whats wrong with nudity? In such movies it is ESSENTIAL.
They shouldn't try and balance it. It is unbalanced for a reason: Males have ugly bodies that nobody really likes to look at. All bumpy and hairy and stuff. Women's bodies are nice to look at, thus whatever.
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Most movies have no problem showing the female nudity because the film industry just like American society is male dominated and sexist.
I'm going to assume that you don't work in Hollywood. Therefore I would ask, how do you know what the male to female ratio for studio executives is? I think it's likely that there are as many women but they don't object to the matter because men will pay to see women nude. Women will not pay to see men nude. It's that simple. It's always about the money. There's no need for abstract and unjustified reasoning. There is no secret agenda and no conspiracy.
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"Women will not pay to see men nude."
Tell that to all the women who went to see 300 for the guys fighting in speedos. =P
But seriously, what's with all the assumptions that women don't like to see men nude on-screen? I couldn't care less which gender it is. Personally I would rather see a woman naked than a guy sliced to death through a meat grinder. But...I would like to see some more frontal male nudity in films, and not just for comedic purposes.
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You, sir, are clearly a man of some taste based upon your message board profile. However, I disagree on this one. Hollywood is clearly a boy's town. Didn't WB just publicly declare that it will no longer make movies starring women? I mean, that doesn't come off as misogynistic to you?
I do agree with the rest of your reasoning as to why male genitals are so rarely shown. Though, it is of some note that the MPAA has been shown to be harder on gay themed films and films featuring male nudity.
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I agree with your post and kinda agree with OP too. I have no problem against male nudity (except the masturbation scene which was kinda *gulp*), what i regret however is the proportion of male nudity vs. female one, in short, too many dicks and not enough pussies. Kinda pissed me off really to see so much male anatomy over and over and often in a gratuitous manner, such as the father taking a piss while drinking a beer - his dong there was completely unnecessary-, while getting to see only one single pussy properly in the same time. Why the blatant disproportion?
Otherwise, i agree with your post saying the other dude doesn't know how misogynistic Hollywood has always been and certainly still is in many regards.
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Jar_of_Inspiration:
You're very ignorant and blinded by your own ignorance. Open your eyes. There are TONS of women paying double or triple of what you have to pay just to see male nudity. As a straight woman, I have to pay $$ for gay porn to watch male nudity. At the same time, tons of sofcore porn with full female nudity and ZERO male nudity is included in my very standard, very conservative Cinemax cable subscription.
There are tons of women just like me out there, a lot of my friends, Internet forums, etc, basically 95% of all women I know enough to speak about that are willing to see and pay for that. But guess what: there are stereotypes, and puritan society, plus for years, we women, were not paid as well as you are, and given that jerks like you ostracized all depictions of male nudity (being so scared of "homosexuality" or other such b-s reason) FOR CENTURIES, we all have to pay double/triple now for the movies we, women, want to see and enjoy...while women are still being paid less on average! And then you dare to come and tell me "Women will not pay to see men nude."
So, there is "conspiracy", it's all because of such ignorant jerks like you, Jar_of_Inspiration.
I posted this years ago and never came back until now.
What made you think I'm some kind of uptight, conservative, homophobic jerk? I'm all for gay rights. Sure I'm not completely comfortable seeing male nudity. No straight man truly is. I'm an adult, though, and I deal with it.
Forgive me for growing up in the suburbs in a town dominated by Asians. Women were never very open about their sexuality. The only time I've heard of women paying to see men nude was when I lived in Amsterdam. I wasn't surprised, because I'm probably more socially liberal than you are.
What's your problem? Is it because I quote an old French film? I guess you don't have much else to go off of since you don't know me as well as you seem to think you do. For the record, there is no correlation between people who watch Truffaut films and conservative homophobes.
"We played with life and lost." - Jules et Jim, François Truffaut.
My objection was to your phrase: "Women will not pay to see men nude." It's simply not true, not in any developed part of this world. Most women I know are very much willing to watch male nudity on TV or elsewhere, and are paying for that.
Re: "I wasn't surprised, because I'm probably more socially liberal than you are. " - whom are you referring to? What makes you think you're more "socially liberal" than me? What makes you think I'm not "socially liberal"? Why would I be surpised in such situation?
At least, I'm going off based on what you said in your post, see my quote of your phrase above. I'm also not sure what you think I decided you're a homophobe, that wasn't exactly what I was saying.
yes, my response to your post was quite emotional, I can give you that, and I apologize. But your generalization is insulting, and you cannot base off such things based on some conservative place you grew up etc. The world is not that place, and using your money argument - women from "liberal" places, where most of money is, should be used as a basis for your "generalizations", if you want to make some.
P.S. I'm not a fan of Ken Park, due to how young certain characters look there. Not my type, though the movie does have male nudity. But my response to your post is in regards to you generalizing etc.
OK, if you really want to play this game...
As a student of International Relations and Development, I object to your statement: "It's simply not true, not in any developed part of this world.' Your assertion that there is some sort of common, progressive, and liberal common sense that has somehow not incorporated itself into countries that are not as economically advantaged is misguided, stereotypical, and could be considered a little bit racist. I actually think this is a far more controversial statement than the one I made earlier.
I've lived in Europe, too, like I said. Its most liberal city, in fact, and I've grown up in and around Toronto. You know what else? I stand by my statement. The majority of women (wherever Hollywood movies are seen, or the whole world), women will not pay to see men nude. It is likely that in many of these places, men may not even pay to see women nude. It depends on many factors. Though New Yorkers and Torontonians like to believe they're the centre of the world, they clearly aren't. Neither city should be used as a gage for the entire world.
"We played with life and lost." - Jules et Jim, François Truffaut.
"Neither city should be used as a gage for the entire world." - how about the European cities you claim you're so familiar with? More and more women are apparently paying to see men nude, all over civilized world (and that's what Hollywood cares about), as we have more and more male frontal nudity every year, from Hollywood and elsewhere. The progress is slow, but it's there.
shareThe civilized world? You're calling me racist? Clearly this is going nowhere. I hope you have fun venting your overwhelming anger at those around you today, because I'm not going to be around to receive any of it.
"We played with life and lost." - Jules et Jim, François Truffaut.
You started off saying that money is all that matters to film makers / Hollywood in particular. Now, your argument shifted into protecting rights of the less developed countries (from me). Well, citizens of those countries do not pay Hollywood, and I don't think Hollywood cares about them. I was born in such a country so I surely know very well how it works.
I specifically aplogized, as I made an assumption about you based on your generalizations. So, no need to act so "violated"/"insulted", and let it go. You made a really big generalization yourself / in your first post, and as they say, "you reap what you sow".
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I'm a married straight woman and I love seeing full frontal male nudity. Especially European.
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shareHave you ever been to Chippendales or seen a club that had a Ladies Night with male dancers? Women will pay, just not to see the fat, whiney, tired guys that dominate tv and movies.
shareIt is NOT that simple. This world has lost ALL IDEA of what a penis is.. The United States of Immaturiy.. oops i mean of America
shareYou are right! If it's not fair then it's...not...fair. But thankfully it's all just opinions, right? Subjective opinions, right?
shareOh my god, regarding the comment about men being hairy and bumpy. Dude, you are obviously not the artistic type. I mean come on, the stunning, muscular, smooth and non-hairy male form has been sculpted and photographed since the times when women who were fat, bumpy, and cottage cheese and cellulite riddled were considered attractive and artistic. Have you not heard of Sandro Bottecelli the classic and sometimes baroque artist of 1444 - 1510 who loved to paint fat women with cellulite. Not to mention Michangelo and many other Italian masters and many of the neoclassical artists of the 18th and early 19th century. The male body in art since time of the Romans and before has always been far more attractive than women, that is until annexoric supermodels hit the scene. Now I don't sleep with men but I can admire a nice muscular body and a nice feminine body. To each his or her own.
shareYou can admire a nice feminine body? But you just wrote that women weren't more attractive than men in art until "anorexic super models hit the scene." That is not exactly a feminine body, no matter how you slice it.
'Cause we all end up in a tiny pine box, A mighty small drop in a mighty dark plot.
Regarding “philipadams’” comments--
Your view, looked at with anything approaching objectivity, is absurd to an absurd degree. Men and women ARE of the same species, are they not? If an alien from another planet were to land here, would he think women were more beautiful? Methinks not. Besides, we generally think of the male of most species as the MOST beautiful, when there is a discernable difference. Think of the male bighorn sheep, or elk with their more prominent antlers, the lion with his mane, most birds with their more colorful plumage--and on and on. I am a male, and I am NOT gay, but I refuse to consider my own body as something disgusting or as being aesthetically inferior to a women's body. If you examine the greatest sculptures the hand of man has produced, you find that the vast majority of these are of men. If men's bodies are so repugnant, why would this be? It's that "bumpy" stuff, men's superior muscularity, that in the artist's eye, propels them ahead of women as their (in general) preferred subjects. (And as far as the "hairy" aspects are concerned, not all men are particularly hairy, and women are MORE hairy than they usually appear in our culture as they usually shave their legs, and often other areas as well.)
It's sad, really, that--assuming you are a man--you would despise your own body (just as sad, in a different way, if you are a woman and find the body of a man unappealing). Though our culture seems to be changing a bit in this regard, clearly society does reinforce the notion of women's overwhelmingly superior pulchritude compared to men who amount to pitiful second rate objects of beauty (esPECIally sans clothing). I for one utterly reject society's inimical judgment on this issue, and aver that men are every bit the equal of women in the beauty department.
PS. Now, I do NOT regard them as equals in attractiveness, however, but on this score, I can hardly be expected to be objective, being heterosexual through and through.
"Nothing in this world is more surprising than the attack without mercy!"--Little Big Man
Bravo, twm-2, for an unusually clearminded and balanced argument!
"Believe not what you wish to believe, but what in truth you can"
Thank you very much. And what thinkest thou about my "clearminded" arguments in my reply to "dmm2" at the current end of this thread?
"Nothing in this world is more surprising than the attack without mercy!"--Little Big Man
but I refuse to consider my own body as something disgusting or as being esthetically inferior to a women's body.
Ooh, excellent way to put it! I hate it when proclaimed heterosexual girls are like: "Ewww, men's bodies are so gross!" I'm certainly not going to marry someone who's grossed out by looking at me. I'm not morbidly fat (actually the opposite), my skin isn't peeling in weird places, I'm not overly or underly hairy, and I take care of my general appearance--so why should my body still be gross to look at? Thanks for your statements, twm-2.
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One look at the director and you should have seen it coming.
Or maybe it has something to do with that young boy-lust weve heard about from several different actors, writers, and journalists. They just cant seem to help themselves.
Its amazing how much sway a mere 2% of the population continues to maintain.
This was technically in response to a comment of mine, but I cannot see how it is at all related. Did you mean to respond to someone else's note?
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? It doesn't matter if you're male or not, how could you say that the male body is ugly when you're male yourself. Talk about bad body image.
shareI bet someone gay would find female bodys repulsive as well.
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Nope. I am gay as well, and I protest! ;-)
But seriously, of course you're right. It is the thought of sexual interactions with the portrayed person that may be offensive, not the body itself. To some this may sound bizarre, but I happen to find the concept of heterosexual practices repugnant. Hence the comment, i suppose you can reenact the scenario of watching a normal hollywood type love story through these eyes and see my point ;-)
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I am gay and I don't find female body repulsive. Stop being so ignorant and speculate something you don't know anything about. You retards are just really making me mad sitting on your fat asses and generalizing. It is not all that simple and black and white. Go get some education. Arrggghhh!
shareRubbish. Lots of people like looking at male bodies. Lots of women and gay men. That's probably close to half the population right there.
shareI find it quite perturbing, that many men are offended or repulsed by the maleness or exposure of their own gender in films or reality. Is this some sort of societal or parental conditioning that is forced upon us, which prevents us from embracing our own state of being?
Is fear and ignorance the real issue here? We all come from male and female - it takes both to procreate and we are all both one and the same. Honor and love and embrace yourselves gentlemen! The world would be a much easier place to experience if the dominating male ego were cast aside.
They shouldn't try and balance it. It is unbalanced for a reason: Males have ugly bodies that nobody really likes to look at. All bumpy and hairy and stuff. Women's bodies are nice to look at, thus whatever.
Er, that's because men don't shave. Do you think they'd look better if they shaved their armpits and chests and legs and arms? Because that's what women do (though they don't have to shave their chests).
I approved the balance thing, by the way, if only to be a bit more realistic. Just because you see a male nude on camera does not mean you want to have sex with him. And realism is a point we should all strive to.
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Then you have not seen my body. My body is nice, slander, smooth, hairless, tanned, golden-brown, soft. And I am a male. Your generalization of male body being ugly probably comes from you being bumpy, hairy and stuff yourself? Or have you actually seen a lot of men with hairy and bumpy stuff, as you put it? You are an ignorant and stupid son-of-a-biaatcchh moron expressing ignorance and stupidity, nothing else. Go get educated, man.
sharemales have ugly bodies??? i beg to differ!
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Sorry to tell you but in nature, in almost every species, males are better looking than females. Have you ever seen a peahen next to a peacock? A male lion compared to a lioness? Just because you think male nudity is ugly doesn't mean it is. You just have bad taste :)
shareyou're the biggest *beep* for making a statement like that.
'Cause I ride like Kelly Bundy, Yo I keep that *beep* nasty~ (Spank Rock)
philipadams says:
"Males have ugly bodies that nobody really likes to look at."
Speak for yourself, kiddo!
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[ They shouldn't try and balance it. It is unbalanced for a reason: Males have ugly bodies that nobody really likes to look at. All bumpy and hairy and stuff. Women's bodies are nice to look at, thus whatever. ]
Philip, just because your body is bumpy and hairy and stuff doesn't mean all men's bodies are. Both men and women have bodies ranging from gross to beautiful. Just because you're so insecure about yourself doesn't mean men don't have good bodies. You should see a therapist about this problem of yours.
LOL "Males have ugly bodies" what a load of bs ! Just because you dont like male bodies does not mean there is no beauty in them. It is your right to your opinions but dont act like it is fact.... I rather see full male nudity once, than seeing all the "in your face" female nudity.... Movies usually have the camera on the nude females, and run when there is a nude male.... So to fix this and counter balance, the nudity scores, for the next 20 years all females must wear a full body coat thick enough to keep someone warm in antarctica, while all men wear a tissue held in place with dental floss....
share"Males have ugly bodies that nobody really likes to look at."
You have just erased well over 50% of the population by calling each of us "nobody". What you MEANT to say was that YOU don't like looking at male bodies. But there are BILLIONS of heterosexual people on Earth who DO enjoy male bodies... and those heterosexual people are WOMEN, but you don't care about the 3 billion of us. Let's not even forget about the number of gay men outnumbering gay women... face it, there is a GREAT market for naked male bodies. Everywhere, not just movies.