TX needed to kill kids?


Just a thought that since arriving to the past _before_ Judgment Day, TX goes about searching for and killing the kids who in the future would become JC's lt's.
Ok, fine, taken by itself.
However, since TX knows JD would kill everyone in LA, why do so at all? Did she think those kids would somehow end up _not_ in LA during JD? Sure, they did survive somehow, but how and why as they were in the city?

Perhaps, the kids went away for a trip, or simply were survivors, but it did seem a waste of time anyway.

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It takes time for those ICBMs we see at the end to find their targets. Enough time for evacuations to begin.

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JD would kill everyone in LA

well, obviously it didn't or else they wouldn't have been able to become Connor's resistance fighters...

"He's dusted, busted and disgusted, but he's ok"

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Or think of it another way, JD was created or resurrected by the T-x. When the T-X start putting viruses into everything is when things go haywire. Skynet, by itself, was not bad. It was when it was infected with this newly created virus that it lost control. I mean, the original plot was that Skynet was bad; however, it seems like now the T-X seems to be the cause of everything.

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The TX had a list of people to terminate; this same list of people could have been on the T-800's to save which would ensure their survival through Judgment Day. The T-800 did not mention this, but it could be for a variety of reasons why it would have been inefficient in telling Connor and Claire Danes that those other people were also on the list and also likely dead already

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The way it's shown in the movie, it seems the T-X came a day before the Terminator. Cause it shows the T-X arrive at night, kill the woman to imitate her clothes, steal her car, kill the policeman, steal his gun, then it cuts to Kate with her fiance talking to her father. It's also daytime in that scene. Then after that when it's nighttime again, the T-800 arrives.

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i you want to approach the movies by logic, why would skynet send the TX in this time anyway? Just send it to 1984 as well and get the original job done

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If you want to approach it that way it might be an idea to consider that Skynet sent the T800 to 1984, then the T1000 immediately afterwards to 1995, then the TX to 2003 immediately after that because it realized each attempt had failed, so it was trying a different approach each time right up until it was found, or defeated so to speak, by 2029 John Connor.

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yeah but why jump to different times in the past in the first place. just send them all to 84, 3 terminators in 84 are more likely to kill sarah or kyle than scatter them through the decades
something they did right in genisys btw. where skynet sent the t1000 there as well.

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Who knows for sure why Skynet chose THAT path, but as I said, after each attempt failed it tried a different approach. Maybe it decided against attacking Sarah Connor as after the first time she would be on the lookout. After attacking John he disappeared off the grid, so now go for his generals etc..

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still doesnt make sense. thats linear thinking " After attacking John he disappeared". then send him before attacking. there is no "after" with timetravels.
you can also move forward in time and kill sarah connor as a child (again what genisys proposed)

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Nobody is saying it made sense. Just offering a possible reason.
Maybe Skynet tried to think logically (I mean we don't even know how it invented time travel, but I'm fairly confident it didn't bang its' head like Doc Brown in Back to the Future). After sending the first Terminator it realized immediately it didn't work because something should have changed immediately (in its'opinion) this is an AI that can think and make millions of decisions in a heartbeat. Sarah then goes off grid, so the target becomes John at a certain point in his life as there are records that Skynet has of his whereabouts at this point in his life (remember most records were destroyed, which is why two other Sarah Connors were terminated). Again, from Skynets perspective the change should have been immediate if the T1000 had been successful. So it sends another TX to target Johns lieutenants because it has no record of where John is since he is now off grid.
Again Skynet is not, as Doc says, thinking fourth dimensionally, it is simply doing what it does.
Of course it could simply be down to wanting to use the same actors as much as possible and sending Terminators constantly to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor would not work as the actress in question would not get away with pretending to be 18 years old in 1991 and certainly not in 2003 when the sequels came about. So it might be less about why Skynet did what it did and more about that.

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well it wasnt skynet writing the stories of T2ff
genisys was the first part that got the timetravels right. thats why i like it the most.

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Genisys perhaps did.
I always thought of Terminator as a pre-destination loop/paradox. This was undone by the pop corn flick that was T2 with it's kid gets a toy Terminator. After that it was just constant meddling with the timelines and continuity cock ups.

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The question is why didn't it send the more powerful terminators the first time. Each film there is a more powerful terminator suggesting more time has passed and they have developed better tech

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well the first time skynet used the timetravel they only had the t800 available. you cant undo that, you can only send the better ones to 84 as well.

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I persume they may have better tech in this future than previously.

But i still wonder about then first 2 films. Do they send 2 terminators back in time instantly e.g. send one to stop john being born and at the same time send one to kill him as a kid. Because the T1000 i think its called, the liquid one, is a lot more powerful so surely logically it would have made more sense to send 2 t1000s.

I wonder if there are 2 time displacement field things because in the future where reese comes from the infiltrator terminators are new.

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you seem kinda confused about the timelines. the first t800 was send to 84 from 2029. then a couple months later the t1000 was developed and sent to 1995.

by the time the first t800 was send, there were no t1000s around. in order to undo that, skynet would had to send the t1000 to early 2029 first, then to 84. possible, but quite a hassle.

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I gather there must be more time displacement equipment things then because I thought the idea was that the human resistance was winning the war in the future in T1 and this was skynets last attempt - sending terminators back in time, but after the T800 and Reese are sent back it is destroyed.

Having multiple would probably make more sense as it would explain how the TX was also sent years later. I suppose the films never really explained what happened after reese is sent back future wise.

I suppose it also depends on which time travel theory you believe in - if it's a circle or multiple timelines. I do myself believe that probably 1-4 are all a circle - 3 maybe adds issues slightly changing things because of the delay - it's a while since I've seen Salvation but I thought Reese seemed to be the same if not younger - so don't know how it fits because if judgement day happened later then that also changes the future slightly

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T2 already breaks the circle though, since judgement day was stopped there.
well yeah we dont know what happened in 2029 when reese has been send. alhough genisys steps in there and offers a solution. (t1000 also send to 84 btw)
i always guessed with the events in T1, the future was altered in a way, the "first" use of the timemachine led to the events of T2 (so its a forked future right away)

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See I've just watched the first 2 and what I got is that 1 and 2 always happened apart from the end of 2.

My reasoning for this is Cyberdyne started the events that originally caused judgement day by reverse engineering the chip left in T1.

However if the terminator hadn't went back in time in T1 there would be no chip so by travelling back in time the terminator technically created the future.

For that reason I feel both skynet and John connor are paradoxical. Skynet only exists because it sent itself into the past where the chip is used to in turn create skynet. John connor is born by sending his future father back to create himself.

Now at least in the first 2 films you could argue this would mean it Reese was killed before going back in time making John no longer exist skynet would also no longer exist as their would be no longer a reason to send the terminator back in time and so without a chip skynet wouldn't be created

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why bother about reese? he is not in T2 or T3

but yeah, as said the events of T1 led to T2. Because we dont know how Skynet happened to exist in the original 2029 from T1.
In T3 there also wasnt a reason for Cyberdyne to exist, since the military developed Skynet without reverse engineering.

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Because without Reese there would be no john connor.

I also don't know if there is an original timeline. There's a classic doctor who serial, day of the daleks, that had people from the future trying to prevent something in the present from happening but it turns out it was the people from the future that had caused the event.

It shouldn't make sense because how could they have caused the event - it had to surely happen first for that future to exist.

This is why it is a paradox and I feel like the terminator is the same. There might be no starting point - the future only exists because people from the future went back in time and caused that future

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the original plot was like that. connor only existed because he would send reese in the future. so all the events were inevitable.

but then T2 happened which tried to fit in that timeloop, but didnt.
then T3 tried to restore the loop with JD happening.

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See I think t2 does fit in right until the end - the only thing is we don't know what originally happened e.g. was the T1000 originally destroyed but not cyberdyne.

I did wonder once if people could have got the dates wrong and judgement day always happened later but that wouldn't really make sense.

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Think like a computer....
Minimize every danger, while searching for primary target....

One of them others might have stepped in if Connor gone.

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