It seems to be popular opinion that they all made the wrong choice. Not necessarily disagreeing I'm just exploring a possibility.
So what if the townspeople would have refused to play his game and he killed everyone. That includes ALL the kids along with the townspeople... or maybe it doesn't. He might have killed everyone and taken all the kids to be his apprentices instead of just Ralphie.
Therein lies the horns of the dilemna. Is it better to give a child into the hands of evil to save the lives of many, or is it better to sentence all to death. That is the essence of the choice they face. I have no doubt that Linoge was perfectly capable of destroying everyone on the island, and that he certainly would have if they had denied him what he wanted; however I am still not sure they made what could be called the *right* choice. In that situation is EITHER choice really right? Or is it just trying to choose the lesser of evils?
How much did Linoge do that wasn't as a means to an end? Please tell me.
So, now that we've established that. Sure, maybe he was capable of offing everyone on the island, but if they had stood in unity and refused him, exactly what would he gain from offing everyone on the island? Where is the end to that means?
The way I see it is that by denying him an heir, his fate will be sealed and he will eventually die. By giving him a child however, they are allowing him to continue to exist and prey on others. Even if he would have killed them all in retaliation, I would be more at peace with myself knowing that future generations of people will not be subjected to the same torment that Legion was forcing on them. The child would be better off dead than going full circle when the time comes for him/her to find an heir. Yes it is a difficult sacrifice to make but at the very least they would be saving lives by giving their own, unlike their other option.
The way I see it is that by denying him an heir, his fate will be sealed and he will eventually die.
He looks old, but he made it pretty clear he wasn't going to die of "natural causes" any time soon. As I recall, he said he would still be alive when all the kids in town died of old age. So he would have plenty of time to go to another small community and search for another kid to replace him.
Even if he would have killed them all in retaliation, I would be more at peace with myself knowing that future generations of people will not be subjected to the same torment that Legion was forcing on them.
Yeah, sure you would. It makes me laugh when people make claims like this. You're not in the situation, you have NO IDEA how you would deal with it. It's easy to say things like this when your life isn't on the line from the safety of your desk, it's another thing entirely to be in the situation.
And as I said above, there's no guarantee that refusing his request would stop him. Again, he is still going to live for a fair number of years before he dies of "old age." He's got plenty of time to find another replacement. The final scene with Linoge and Davey is 9 years after the Island event and Linoge is still alive and well. Do you really think he couldn't have found anyone else in that 9 year period?
The child would be better off dead than going full circle when the time comes for him/her to find an heir.
Based on what? We don't even know what Linoge gets up to when he isn't looking for a replacement. Yet you presume to KNOW that a kid would be better off dead than going with him?
Yes it is a difficult sacrifice to make but at the very least they would be saving lives by giving their own, unlike their other option.
Once again, there is nothing to suggest that's true. All you would be doing is damning another community as he continues to search for a replacement. You're not actually saving anyone.
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And as I said above, there's no guarantee that refusing his request would stop him. Again, he is still going to live for a fair number of years before he dies of "old age." He's got plenty of time to find another replacement. The final scene with Linoge and Davey is 9 years after the Island event and Linoge is still alive and well. Do you really think he couldn't have found anyone else in that 9 year period?
It's reasonable to think that he couldn't...otherwise it's quite likely he would have had one long before Little Tall. It took him hundreds of years after the last time he attempted to get an heir in Roanoke for him to try again. So there was a good chance that Little Tall was probably very close to his last attempt if not THE last attempt. Not only did he have to find another community, they would have to be a close-knit one that knew how to come together and keep their mouths shut. He clearly told them that he chose them because they could keep a secret. He would also need some event like that big storm that would keep them isolated from the rest the world so he could have the time and means to intimidate them into giving them a child. An island community is perfect in that regard because something like a big storm could keep them cut off from the rest of the world while Linoge went on his campaign of intimidation. So how often would you run into A) a close knit community (more than likely small enough where everyone knows each other), B) that's on an island C) that have a choice of children between the ages of 5 and 7 D) that's also temporarily cut off from the rest of the civilation for the space of a couple days? The length of time between Little Tall and Roanoke Island suggests that the opportunity doesn't come around all that often. That and the fact that you didn't have a lot more stories about whole communities simply vanishing without a trace.
So I don't think it was merely a matter of just going to the next town, all those other conditions would likely also have to be present as well.
Based on what? We don't even know what Linoge gets up to when he isn't looking for a replacement. Yet you presume to KNOW that a kid would be better off dead than going with him?
Well, based on the fact that he killed people with impunity and terrorized an entire town in search of this heir suggests that what he gets up to in his day job is probably not all that pleasant.
If being Linoge's pupil was such a great opportunity why does he have to take such measures to get a new one? Why not find a child that already had a crap life and offer to take him because he could give them a better and longer one? Why not find a child that was already unwanted? God knows that the world is full of them. There were other ways to get what he wants that didn't involve murdering and terrorizing people. So why is that the route that he takes? Judging by his actions and general demeanor, I think that terrorizing Little Tall was just as much about amusing himself as much as it was to find a child to replace him. It also suggests that he wanted the folks of Little Tall so frightened of him and feeling so helpless that they wouldn't even think of resisting him. Which could also imply (and is confirmed by Billy), that they could resist him if they had a stronger collective backbone.
Once again, there is nothing to suggest that's true. All you would be doing is damning another community as he continues to search for a replacement. You're not actually saving anyone.
As opposed to damning future generations for centuries now that Linoge has an apprentice that can continue to do what he's been doing for another millenia or so? If the town held out the rest of the world would have to only wait for what? 50 years? 100? Now that he has young Ralphie who knows how much longer the world has to endure something like him.
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It's reasonable to think that he couldn't...otherwise it's quite likely he would have had one long before Little Tall.
It isn't a reasonable assumption at all. They know for a fact that he can control them, so why the *beep* should they question his ability to force them all into the sea?
Again, WE the audience know he's still alive 9 years after the story ends. Why would they have assumed refusing his request would stop him?
It took him hundreds of years after the last time he attempted to get an heir in Roanoke for him to try again.
We don't know what he was doing during that time, and the fact that he lived for hundreds of years after that suggests that he wasn't getting desperate. He had time, and we know he still had time after Little Tall.
So there was a good chance that Little Tall was probably very close to his last attempt if not THE last attempt.
Nonsense. As I said, we KNOW he lives for at least 9 years after he takes Davey. If they had refused him, they would all be dead and he could have kept looking for at least 9 more years.
Not only did he have to find another community, they would have to be a close-knit one that knew how to come together and keep their mouths shut. He clearly told them that he chose them because they could keep a secret.
Have you been to the Atlantic North East? There are plenty of communities similar to the one in this.
He would also need some event like that big storm that would keep them isolated from the rest the world so he could have the time and means to intimidate them into giving them a child.
Not really, since it's implied he created the storm.
An island community is perfect in that regard because something like a big storm could keep them cut off from the rest of the world while Linoge went on his campaign of intimidation. So how often would you run into A) a close knit community (more than likely small enough where everyone knows each other), B) that's on an island C) that have a choice of children between the ages of 5 and 7 D) that's also temporarily cut off from the rest of the civilation for the space of a couple days? The length of time between Little Tall and Roanoke Island suggests that the opportunity doesn't come around all that often. That and the fact that you didn't have a lot more stories about whole communities simply vanishing without a trace.
A) There are plenty of isolated rural areas, which tend to have close knit communities. Hell, the town where my grand parents live has a population of 30 people and it's more than 10 miles from the nearest small town. A storm like we see in the movie would easily isolate them to the point where nobody is getting out to get help.
B) Why does it NEED to be an Island? It just needs to be isolated.
C) Why does there need to be multiple children of that age? The fewer parents of children the right age, the easier it would be for him to convince the greater community to let him have one. Since everyone who doesn't have a child of that age would just want it over with so he would go away and stop threatening their lives.
D) Again, there are plenty of rural areas which would be completely cut off if a storm like we see here were to pass through. Storms like happened in this are not nearly as rare as you seem to believe.
Well, based on the fact that he killed people with impunity and terrorized an entire town in search of this heir suggests that what he gets up to in his day job is probably not all that pleasant.
Nonsense. He does bad things, but that doesn't make him evil. He NEEDS a replacement, so it makes sense that he would go to extreme lengths to find one. That says absolutely nothing about what he would do in different situations.
If being Linoge's pupil was such a great opportunity why does he have to take such measures to get a new one?
Because he's still asking a family to give up their child. Do you think if he had walked into town handing out lolly pops that people would be more willing to hand a child over?
Why not find a child that already had a crap life and offer to take him because he could give them a better and longer one?
Really? Take a psychologically damaged child and offer them an extremely long life and supernatural powers? Sure, that makes more sense. I can't imagine a kid like that abusing their powers.
Why not find a child that was already unwanted? God knows that the world is full of them. There were other ways to get what he wants that didn't involve murdering and terrorizing people. So why is that the route that he takes?
We really don't know, because that is never part of the plot. But he does say that it has to be freely given. He can't just take a child as you're suggesting here. If he could, he could have just taken Davey right at the beginning of the movie.
Judging by his actions and general demeanor, I think that terrorizing Little Tall was just as much about amusing himself as much as it was to find a child to replace him. It also suggests that he wanted the folks of Little Tall so frightened of him and feeling so helpless that they wouldn't even think of resisting him. Which could also imply (and is confirmed by Billy), that they could resist him if they had a stronger collective backbone.
Nonsense again. One person resisting for a little while is hardly proof that the entire town had the strength of will to resist him indefinitely.
He wanted them frightened so they would be more likely to hand the child over. Producing fear was really in the best interest of everyone. Since if they didn't fear him, they wouldn't hand over the child, and in turn they would all end up walking into the sea.
As opposed to damning future generations for centuries now that Linoge has an apprentice that can continue to do what he's been doing for another millenia or so? If the town held out the rest of the world would have to only wait for what? 50 years? 100? Now that he has young Ralphie who knows how much longer the world has to endure something like him.
Listen, people tend to think of themselves. It's all nice and good to believe that people will do whats best for the world, but look around the world. Do you actually believe that's the case?
If it comes down to my life or the life of someone else, I'm most likely going to choose my own life. And so are you. It's unreasonable to think an entire community would risk their own lives to prevent possible future deaths. Especially since they had no way of knowing whether resisting him would actually result in saving ANY future lives.
The point is, neither we nor the people in the town have any way of knowing how much longer he has. Further, neither we nor the people in town know whether his next attempt will be successful or not. Do you really expect the entire town to lay down their lives to MAYBE rid the world of this "monster?" That would be the LEAST realistic ending possible.
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I think Mike was right and I don't think Linoge would have been able to overpower all of them - If one can resist, so can others. However, I do think that people, when faced with a decision like that, are always going to choose the option that will save their own lives. People will say "well, I would never choose to do this or that." How do you know until you HAVE to choose?
It's reasonable to think that he couldn't...otherwise it's quite likely he would have had one long before Little Tall. It took him hundreds of years after the last time he attempted to get an heir in Roanoke for him to try again. So there was a good chance that Little Tall was probably very close to his last attempt if not THE last attempt. Not only did he have to find another community, they would have to be a close-knit one that knew how to come together and keep their mouths shut. He clearly told them that he chose them because they could keep a secret.
No, its not reasonable. First of all we do not know how many attempts he had between Kroatoa and this movie. This was never revealed. Also he claimed that he will live for at least a few hundred years still, living him plenty of time. He prefered an Island community because it could keep secrets, however it was not a necessity. Also as he got closer to the death he would have obviously got more desperate and attempt more often (and who is to say he would not succeed in say first try in 5 years?). At best they would have made him work harder to get the Heir, but would not be an instant death sentence.
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1)The scene where Linoge tries to get the young guy to kill his girlfriend but he resists. This told me that Linoge didn't have total power over them.
2)The fact that Linoge would eventually die. Linoge is not an immortal. While he is still very powerful if he is not immortal then he must have weaknesses.
I think the townspeople made the wrong choice. I think if they stood together and stood up to him they would've been able to beat him. However they allowed him to manipulate them by exploiting their past mistakes and weaknesses.
Thats just my opinion and I would love to see what other people thought, whether they agree or disagree. I loved Storm of the Century and I really liked the ending because it has made for some very interesting discussions.
I agree with you, anaconda89. Linoge himself said that they let themselves be tricked. To me that was him saying that if they had stood together against him, he would have been defeated.
I loved the movie as well. It certainly makes you think!
i agree... but mostly because of this: why would he have built up so much pressure, frightened them all, even killed people if he wasnt asking for something really wrong. If it was a mere "adoption" he could have just asked for it. And also you might wonder: Is a life in guilt, not knowing if everybody could have been saved, really better than death?
If really everybodys was going to die, I can see that the option of sacrificing one life for all the others isnt all wrong. But after all that happened it is pretty much obvious that whatever is gonna happend to that kid will be far worse than death...
1) Sort of, but it takes a lot of will power to resist.
2) Yes but eventually for Linoge is quite a way off. 9 years after the bulk of the story Davey and Linoge are seen in San Fransisco and Linoge is just fine. Even if they had rejected the deal and sacrificed themselves, he still had plenty of time to find another community and attempt to coerce them into handing over a child.
I think the townspeople made the wrong choice. I think if they stood together and stood up to him they would've been able to beat him. However they allowed him to manipulate them by exploiting their past mistakes and weaknesses.
Not really. Unless by "beat him" you mean "walking into the ocean to die."
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I think it was not as much a choice of right or wrong but the choice of the lesser of two evils. Sometimes in life we only get those choices of bad or worse and this was one of those choices.
^^This. If Billy Soames was strong enough to resist Linoge's control, the townspeople surely could've done the same. They made the wrong decision and the sad thing was, they realized this wayyyy too late. Poor Mike. I agree, the ending brings up some great discussion, great film, definetely one of THE best King movies.
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I really like the Britain example, but you have it backwards in terms of what Choice B was in the movie. Choice B for the British was to sacrifice a smaller population of people to save more lives overall. Choice B in the movie is the choice to sacrifice themselves, because dying would have prevented Linoge from having a pupil. This would save more lives in the long term because he cannot terrorize future towns. Choice A was to sacrifice the child because they would have saved themselves and their children (IE the City of Coventry) at the cost of destroying many towns in the future.
And the townspeople had all of the information to figure this out! He tells them that he would die in less than 100 years. The LAST town he visited was 400 years ago, and they resisted because he obviously does not have a pupil yet. Since he has waited so long to find another town it must be EXTREMELY difficult to find the perfect town to take hostage. You can therefore deduce that resisting would make it very difficult or impossible for him to find another pupil, thus breaking the cycle.
Linoge spread fear into the people and made them feel isolated with a combination of the storm, them being on an island, and the hopelessness they felt at the hands of a superior force. By doing this he made them think Choice A was Choice B. They thought that the one child lost was the City of Coventry and they were the lives that were saved by making the choice. They thought that the ONLY people who would be affected by the choice were the people on the island. This is why the movie stressed the "we can keep secrets on the island" point.
This is what Linoge meant when he said that they tricked themselves.