humans and machines co-exist peacefully: humans can have a happy life within the matrix, while the machines are "living" on the surface/real world. what's the point for humans to destroy that ecosystem by leaving the matrix and starting a war against the machines?
shareGreat question MrFilmJunkie!
Well, if we pre-suppose that 'The Matrix' is based upon our world as we know it, & it being a possible reality in the future & not just a work of fiction, then it depends on whether you value absolute truth & freedom, or wish to exist in an 'ignorance is bliss' type scenario. True freedom is a gift, it's the single greatest gift you have ever been given, so do you value it more than having a 'happy life?'
In this world today, right now at this very moment, there is a similiar scenario taking place ... 'you'll own nothing and be happy' - is a slogan from the World Economic Forum, outlining the 'secret' world plans for humanity, in which they will effectively take away your freedoms in exchange for 'happiness.' I won't go into all the political, tyrannical methods currently being used, you can probably guess, but it's essentially the same struggle, you can 'turn a blind eye' while a controlled manufactured dystopian utopia is created for you, or you can struggle & fight for your freedom.
So, MrFilmJunkie, what do you value more, fake happiness, or true freedom?
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but true freedom also means you have to take responsibility for your mistakes. the matrix was the consequence of the fact that humans deprived the machines of the possibility to be supplied by solar energy. with the matrix, the machines have developed a rather humane solution, given the circumstances, that allows both parties to continue living.
mankind obviously did not strive for such a compromise, but wanted to be the sole ruler of the world. the machines, on the other hand, fought only for their freedom.
Thanks for your replies MrFilmJunkie, I will answer this one :o)
Yes, but are the machines sentient beings, do they hurt, regret, seek to avenge, and if so, where did this 'sentience' come from?
I'm not really upto speed with The Matrix lore, but I presume it was humans who 'created' the machines, and therefore they would be merely sophisticated robots that are still bound by machine code - however corruptable it may be.
A similiar existential question was asked in the book... 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' - which of course was later adapted into 'Blade Runner.' It posed the question, should robots have the same right to life as we have?
As technology becomes evermore 'sophisticated' - more issues arise, people have sex with them now for goodness sake, even marry them, but in the end, love and freedom cannot be coerced, you cannot 'command' something to love you, it has to come freely.
In the Matrix, yes humans have a responsibility, but it's to each other, not to the machines. Yes the matrix offered a compromise, but it was a hellish compromise. It comes down in essence to whether the machines have a 'soul' - if you believe they do, then how did this occur, if not, then humans have the right & a duty to turn off the switch, even if they created the mess in the first place.
God Bless xxx
If the machines had given humanity a better kind of fake reality, I might have been okay with the deal!
But instead, they gave us the boring, stifling, ugly, world of the 20th century.
is the post-apocalyptic outside world we see in matrix a more habitable place than the 20th century fake reality within the matrix? i don't think so...
shareThat really should have been included in the red/blue pill talk.
Because really, life for humans sucked, living in caves in a constant state of terror and privation, with no entertainment except the occasional rave. And I'd never go to a rave.
And it was a sweaty rave in a place where humans don't have access to toilet paper, hygiene products, or likely clean water. That stink must have been unreal. Blue pill for life yo!
shareI think the other films covered this part. The machines had given humans a world where everything was perfect, but it just didn’t work out: eventually humans lashed out against it
shareDo you even watch the movie?
"the perfect world was a dream."
"the peak of your civilization."
AI didn't chose 14th centry, we didn't even have toilet, light bulb, cars, they chose "the peak" for human.
Not many like knowing they're nothing more than a tool/slave. Some are comfortable with it, like Cypher. Others rebel.
shareThe Architect explains it in Reloaded. For the Matrix to work, people need to be given the choice to either accept it or reject it, even if they aren't consciously aware of said choice; if they're simply forced into it, most reject it and the whole system fails, as happened to the first and second versions of it.
That, of course, leads to the problem that even if the vast majority accepts it when given the choice, there's still those who reject it anyway, who on top of it would be most likely to try and bring it all down if they could, and the fact that the system equation is unbalanced, leading to the recurring anomaly of the One. Hence Zion, to function as a containment measure for the former and a bargain chip when it becomes necessary to deal with the latter.
Your argument falls apart when you mentioned the ecosystem. The robots destroyed it already.
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