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What gives Lola the ability to have 2 more attempts?


That's what I don't get..

How comes Lola gets two more attempts at getting the money for her boyfriend?

"The things you own end up owning you."

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we watched this in my philosophy class because he said its based on either a theory by socrates or plato i cant quite remember because it was three years ago, but its actually a very philosophical movie.

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I honestly believe that Lola has the powers of time travel and supersonic screams.

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ok I ge the "3 possibilities instead of 3 attempts" thing, that makes sense but why the hell does she seem to "Rewind" after a failed attempt? if each attempt ended in a big "THE END!" then the movie starts again, then yes, I would see them as 3 different alternate endings... but the fact that she dies then she says "no" and rewinds to her apparetment, that doesn't seem like 3 options. that seems like something is going on, like lives in a videogame. also, in the first try she didn't know about the gun saftey and in the second one she did.. that has absolutely nothing to do with the way she choose specific things that made her learn how to use a gun...

they seem more like lives than anything... this movie is basicaly a videogame.


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The way I saw this movie was different.

All the attempts where in her head. If you recall at the beginning when she hangs up the phone shes standing in the middle of the room and the camera is spinning around her and shes like "think, who?, think, think" with pics of different people.

She has to be thinking of different possibilities, and that's what we are shown in the movie. So we never know what actually happened in the end.

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>>>all the attempts where in her head. If you recall at the beginning when she hangs up the phone shes standing in the middle of the room and the camera is spinning around her and shes like "think, who?, think, think" with pics of different people.


That's correct!

And -- if you pay careful attention -- you will notice that the scene which follows is the only scene which is identical in all three versions: her mother talking on the phone with her lover as Lola runs out. So all three versions actually start from this initial moment.


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Ok guys, i really think you should consider the fact that it is not a hollywood movie...!
Incarnation, parallel universe, video game...????????? COME ON!!!!!
Europeans usually ignore all of these and make "down-to-earth" movies, mostly. And they love philosophy, possibilities and all this stuff.
By the way, it was one of the best movies ever!

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maybe you can see it as 3 different movies.

"How do you explain the fact that she learns things from one incarnation to the next?
For example, that she needs to take of the safety, or she needs to jump over the dood's leg?"

That's where things get interesting. You may believe she "remembered" how to take off the safety, but i don't think that's something really hard for somebody to figure out. I think it's definitely ambiguous. same with the dog. couldn't she just have a quick response to the threat of the guy?

I like to believe this movie is about reincarnation, and karma and stuff.
For instance, Her father decides to leave her family with all those problems unsolved. So, in the second scene (second life), he is condemned to go trought the same problems again (he discovers he is not the true father of his next baby), repeating what happened in his first marriage.

also, i believe that the scenes where Lola is with Manni in the bed represent a period between their lives, and their "roles" in the following life being stablished there. (the camera focus on Lola's ear when Manni says "you wanna leave me?". things like that)




"he went a little funny in the head... you know, a little... funny!" (Dr. Strangelove)

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My view of this is simple enough: the whole film is basically a real-life video game. When we played Super Mario Brothers as children, got stung by some enemy or other, died and then went back to the start of the level, we didn't get all existentially mystified about how it was that Mario somehow had three lives, and could be killed twice with impunity: we just got on with it, and tried to avoid slipping up where we had before. I think Lola did learn things between 'lives' - the safety catch was mentioned, as was her realising there was a dog on the stairs for her to jump over (since irrespective of whether she thought she'd get there any quicker, falling down a flight of stairs isn't fun), in just the same way.

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No no NOE you GUYYYS. Here's how it went down: The whole thing is just a dream of a video game inside her head projected onto a television set from someone else's head. Okay, explanation done - close the thread.

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People keep talking about the mechanics of the film, and completely ignore the reason that is was used!!! No wonder this movie has such high rating, everyone is easily impressed with such shallow analysis. Don't take me wrong, it's not a bad movie, but 8.0 is easily a stretch. It plays more like a very long Mtv video. Fast cuts are overrated. Stuffing the screen with lots of stuff is not necessarily good. It's well executed in this movie, but I believe it still lacks the caliber of many classics.

This movie is all about causality and chance. The whole butterfly effect yes. So the butterfly effect here is used to show how any small action can change everything, the way it does for all the people that Lola interacts with, and what each person learns from it.

When the movie begins it talks about a football game. Round ball, 90 minutes, the rest is theory. The outcome of the game is completely unpredictable, regardless of strategy or game plans that were thought out before the beginning of the game. So according to that statement, a priori knowledge is just theory and one cannot expect to carry out everything according to plan.

The other thing that's said is how we acquire knowledge after an event (a posteriori). We do it through our the experiences that occur when we act plus external events that can change the course of our lives. She learns something different when she dies than when he dies. When she dies her dying thought is how she loved him so, even risking her life for him, yet being unsure of his feelings and viceversa for the second sequence. When each person dies, they "know" how much they loved the other person.

In the third sequence, as their experiences led them to both getting the money, when she sees him she has a look of disappointment, or I would even say uncertainty, hesitation. They're back to square one because neither learned anything about their relationship through the third sequence of events.

Therefore, knowledge is highly subjective and directly dependent on experiences brought forth by randomness. Knowledge is theory, it's not a fact, it's not a certainty, it is as fickle as the externalities that push us one way or another.

Ok, after writing this analysis I must say that I should give the movie more credit. Any movie that spurs this kind of debate is good in my book. But 8.0? I dunno

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The stairwell was chaos theory and how simple chance can determine your fate, she wasn't in GROUND HOGS DAY , you clods!

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