Grama at the end
After Mike beats KGB, Grama gets pissed and goes ape shit on a table. Why? He ended up with exactly what he was looking for. And he hates Worm, not necessarily Mike.
Seems out of place.
After Mike beats KGB, Grama gets pissed and goes ape shit on a table. Why? He ended up with exactly what he was looking for. And he hates Worm, not necessarily Mike.
Seems out of place.
On the surface I see where you’re coming from but if you peel back the layers the scene was not out of place.
Grama was at the very least a sociopathic and merciless loan shark, pimp and someone who violently abuses animals without a second thought, getting paid wasn’t enough for Grama, he wanted Mike to lose everything, to include being seriously hurt and/or killed.
He wanted his cake and to eat it too.
I don't buy that. If Mike loses, he gets nothing. And Teddy gets to kill or hurt Mike. It's not like Grama is his goon, they're just related financially.
If Grama just wanted the satisfaction of seeing somebody hurt, he could do that for free himself, already.
Not in the context you mean, Grama was partners with KGB but was still under Teddy’s thumb, meaning that in no way would he willynilly hurt or do anything to Teddy’s clientele without Teddd’s approval.
shareYeah, still doesn't explain why Grama wouldn't want to get paid. That's his entire purpose in this and was made clear. Just the feeling of wanting to hurt Mike is a stretch.
If it were Worm instead, I could buy that.
Edit the Teddy part....
My bad, Teddy wouldn't hurt Mike, he would just turn him over to Grama.
But my point still stands. Grama doesn't get paid that way.
Okay, you don’t buy that…
Consider this then, Grama obviously had personal issues with Worm so isn’t possible that he also had personal issues with Mike via proxy?
Grama had been played this is why he was annoyed.
His line of work is about reputation and what went down will hit the streets also I expect KGB wont be happy so who will he take it out on Grama.
I dont understand this response.
How was he played? How was his reputation hurt?
He bought Worms debt.
He put the debt on Mike.
Mike won and paid the debt.
Why would KGB be mad at Grama?
Also, I think you’re looking/focusing on this through a lens of logic when logic has nothing to do with it.
Grama, KGB and Worm, exist in a world of chaos and are unknowingly slaves to their positions of power, power which is built on a house of cards…
All the money in the world doesn’t buy security or stability. KGB, Grama and Worm all exist on the same plane of living day by day, the only difference is the level of comfort and protective barriers between them and their assets.
Mike understands this and is attempting to leave this world behind, which he manages to do at the end.
Did you even watch the film?
Maybe it's one of those films it requires you to use your brain and it's not something you are used to with movies.
Do you even have any real world experience it doesn't appear so these people do not operate in the manner you list.
Let's pretend I didn't watch the film like you say.
Please back up YOUR explanations.
-How is Gramas rep hurt? There is literally nothing to indicate that his rep is on the line ESPECIALLY if he gets paid in the end, which HE DOES. His rep would be perfectly intact having successfully pulled off what he set out to do by taking on Worms debt in the first place.
-How was Grama "played?" Everthing having to do with Grama in this plot was straight up. He was shaking down Worm and Mike for Worms debt. That's it. It's not complicated. Nobody was trying to play him. Mike and Worm spent half the film just trying to pay him off. He wasn't played by Teddy either. Explain who "played" him.
If you can't explain both, It's pretty apparent YOU didn't pay attention.
Put your money where your mouth is.
*crickets*
shareHey, funny enough the thread beneath yours is asking the same thing, you may find some more/different insights there.
https://moviechat.org/tt0128442/Rounders/58c7779493cef4080d7c6ac0/Why-is-Gramma-pissed-spoilers
I'm thinking it was just for dramatic effect and not necessarily thought through.
There's the good guy and the bad guys. The good guy won, the bad guys get pissed.
It doesn't make sense given the context, but it made for a dramatic scene.
The facts of the matter are that Grama bought Worm's debt for pennies on the dollar. KGB backed him. Mike now has enough money to pay Grama the full amount of the debt, minus what KGB staked, which should be a significant profit.
But bad guys get pissed emphasizes good guys won.
Most likely what you said.
It's just insults the intelligence a little because the film doesn't like to dumb down much, except for this.
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A 9MM would've taken care of Grama, but I enjoy this movie alot.. A very young Matt Damon indeed
shareGrama's over-the-top reaction in Rounders does seem intense, but it makes sense when you break it down:
Grama's Ego and Investment: Grama's anger isn't just about the money—it’s about pride and control. He operates in the shady world of gambling and loan-sharking, where losing face is bad for business. Mike beating KGB represents a loss of power for Grama because it undermines his ability to intimidate and control people in his orbit.
Worm’s Influence on Mike: Grama despises Worm, but Mike represents a lingering connection to him. Mike’s victory cuts Grama’s influence over Mike, essentially severing Grama's ability to collect or manipulate Mike further. It's like watching the last piece of leverage he had slip away.
Grama's Reputation: The scene implies Grama’s anger might also be about perception. He bankrolled KGB's initial winnings against Mike and expected to profit from it. Mike walking away scot-free signals a failure on Grama’s part, which could tarnish his reputation as a loan shark and enforcer.
Unpredictable Temperament: Grama is shown to be a volatile character who acts out physically when things don’t go his way. The table smash fits his personality—someone who thrives on fear and violence to assert dominance.
It’s less about him getting what he wanted and more about losing control of the situation. Mike’s win and subsequent departure likely feel like a public slap in the face, and Grama can't take it.