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No Q and no Borg pretty much ended TNG's crew films

posted 14 years ago by SeanValen
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There was nothing wrong with Frakes directing, Insurrection I do think didn't build the momentum brought with First Contact. You can't go from the Borg which are iconic villians to a movie where there is no household name ot attraction built into the film from the series.

If they wanted to do a more light hearted type film, I think a Q film perhaps featuring borg plus other villians would of been more cool and more marketable. When Insurrection came out, they tried to market it as a action film, I knew then this was a bad move, but it seemed someone just lost the scope and wowness they had with first contact, they lost the audience for nemesis because insurrection was a step down from First Contact,

Why not have a borg trilogy?

Those opening scenes of first contact are so cool, dark science fiction/blade runner, which is what frakes went for in First Contact worked so well, I can't believe they went in a different direction, it seems perhaps someone made a comment, let's go lighter, the fans will always watch, but the thing with first contact, it actually was a cool science fiction film, and the borg are the top of tng's rogue galley.

Insurrection was the start of the downfall, and Nemesis didn't help it, but went further down. Generations and First Contact offered promise for many films to come, it seems EGO and poor choices ended TNG crew to a crashing hault.

John Del Lancie was great as Q and the humour was always there, I always remembered Q movie rumours popping up, but they never included him, they could of perhaps used him and the borg, come up with some sort of story, these are the iconic villians of the tv series, give the people what they want! First Contact was a success, if you wanna milk anything and get away with it, milk the borg, there's nothing like those Cube shaped ship on posters, and Q would of added a lighter touch in the darkness.

Someone was not thinking regarding Insurrection and Nemesis. I like to think of First Contact and Generatonas as the TNG films, I would own them, but Insurrection and Nemesis is a classic examples of studio/s/producers getting stupid and thick. The TNG crew and it's fans deserved better. The show was not always consistent in quality and the TNG films I'm afraid went the same route, I would of let Rick Berman go a long time ago.

There was also a good chance of immediately starting production on a TNG Dominion war film which could have been a cross-over with the introduction of the DS9 crew to the big screen. It would have been the best and easiest way to have transitioned the DS9 crew to the big screen should they have chosen to then do subsequent films. Their second biggest mistake was not taking Nemesis' final cut from the Director's hands.

A TNG/DS9 crossover movie would get be pumped up, the way of the warrior tv movie is more entertaining then Insurrection. I do think that the crew who did DS9 were not effected by Rick Berman, and that tv show has become more respected over the years, imagine what they could of done with a TNG/DS9 movie.

[–] dpcole7 12 years ago

Forgive me, but at one point there was no Borg, no Q, no TNG, and - worst of all - no TOS. The same "where would it be without" argument can only go back so far, and all of the ones that worked are why the show moved forward. To find something that works and then leech off of it forever turns into cannibalism.

"Insurrection" was somebody's attempt to be original and to re-open avenues and attract new audiences into the lore, even if there are plot/logic holes.

[–] Observer_2020 12 years ago

I'm glad they didn't make a Q movie. I didn't watch all of the TNG episodes (and still haven't) but I've seen most of TOS, Voyager, maybe half of DS9 and all the movies. I found the Q episodes to be too odd for my liking. I don't like the idea that the entire Star Trek universe is dependent on the whims of one maniacal character who can make everyone disappear with the snap of a finger. Then what's the point of all the struggles, adventures and relationships of the crew and the rest of humanity?

I just forget about the Q character completely unless he happens to be in the episode that's on TV.

[–] joelreitzloff 11 years ago

i'm not a hard core fan but i have seen all the movies and more than half of the tng episodes, and i have to agree. i did like the idea of the colony and planet though, it struck a personal chord.

however, my favorite movies are "the motion picture" and "first contact"

i love the idea of a race that builds real AI by our sci fi ideas, and the race dies out while teh AI is left exploring the universe and reproducing on its own. these two are not very far from this idea. i know astronomy has come a long way even when 'the motion picture' had come out but man what a great imaginative plot with regards to the universe, life, and technology.

[–] joelreitzloff 11 years ago

WE ARE THE BORG. SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS.

[–] wallacesawyer 8 years ago

While the Borg returned in the STAR TREK universe, I always thought of FIRST CONTACT as Picard's closure with the Borg. To make more films involving the NEXT GENERATION crew and the Borg would detract from what made FIRST CONTACT such a personal and desperate story.

A movie about the Dominion war might have been nice. I don't watch much of the shows, so I'm not too familiar with it. It's pretty much glanced over in this and NEMESIS.

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[–] Torni3945 8 years ago

The flagship of the Federation didn't see action in the Dominion War on the big screen...... I wasn't a fan of Reman take over of the Romulan Star Empire with the help of a small band of Romulan officers who were blinded by Shinzon's true plan. Pretty much a TNG/DS9 cross over Dominion War three hour long movie might of been a good send off for the TNG cast. I would love to have seen Garak, Weyoun, the Female Founder, and the DS9 on the big screen. Instead we got Insurrection and Nemesis. I was never a fan of Star Trek Generation, what they could of done was make a movie about the Cardassian-Maquis conflict.

[–] residentevil6901 8 years ago

Yeah I thought they went so wrong with Insurrection and shouldn't skipped this story and instead did Nemesis then a bigger and better 4th movie with a war with the dominion or something. Insurrection is the dumbest of the 13 Star Trek movies they've made so far.