I felt like they laid on the homosexual relationship between Frodo and Sam a little thick. They could have implied that they were gay together without beating the audience over the head with it. I feel like this is just another example of woke culture shoving super gays down the throats of the public
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Their comradeship reflected those of British and Allied soldiers in the trenches of WWI, where there was a strong bond of fellowship in their shared duty and plight, and Tolkien was one of them, so he reflected this when he wrote LOTR decades later.
Peter Jackson and the writers of the LOTR scripts knew this as well, and didn't change the spirit of the books in this regard.
It's morons like you who misunderstand all that who see homoeroticism in something so innocent, and you all make me SICK.
It's a shame that your accurate response has to be repeated over & over again on these boards. But there are just so many who don't seem to have the slightest notion of how soldiers bond so powerfully, not just in WWI, but in any war. Or for that matter, just how strongly friends can bond in any dire situation.
shareYes
shareYou realize, don't you, that not all of the British and Allied soldiers who fought in WW1 and who formed close comeradships were straight?
That's the thing, war can drive men at risk to both intense friendships, and sometimes a battlefield romance. And someone as innocent as young John Tolkien might not have been able to tell the difference. And Sam and Frodo's relationship reads as extremely gay in both the books and the movies.
Are you sure that modern society hasn't just programmed you to see gay everywhere?
shareNo, I've just read the books and seen the movie, after noting the presence of LGBT people in the real world.
shareWell we both seem to acknowledge that the Catholic, early-20th-century Tolkien did not actually create the characters to be homo, so let's not ascribe sexual orientations to the characters that the author himself would deny.
shareI've got about fifty years of Tolkien fandom under my belt, so I'll ascribe what I like, thank you!
It's also true that sometimes, you see things in books that the author did not intend to put there. And it's true that LOTR is totally full of men kissing each other.
You're a lunatic.
Because I read the books and actually noticed all the men kissing each other, I'm a lunatic?
The books ARE actually full of men kissing each other and expressing their love for each other.
Yeah, I read the books too, multiple times. Nothing gay there, at all. In a LOT of cultures, men (and women) kiss each other in a completely heterosexual manner. Even in the bible, there is mention of "a brotherly kiss".
shareIt's also true that sometimes, you see things in books that the author did not intend to put there.
Any acute reader notices things in books that are there, but which the author didn't intend to be there. Haven't you ever read a book and realized something like "This author has exposed their ignorance about ______" or "Holy crap, the author hates men/women!", "The author is a crashing snob" or "Hey, this is a rewrite of ______, the plagiarist!"?
Even "Gosh, there's a lot of men kissing each other and declaring their love, isn't that interesting?". Any reader who doesn't notice that just isn't paying attention.
Any acute reader notices things in books that are there, but which the author didn't intend to be there. Haven't you ever read a book and realized something like "This author has exposed their ignorance about ______" or "Holy crap, the author hates men/women!", "The author is a crashing snob" or "Hey, this is a rewrite of ______, the plagiarist!"?
Even "Gosh, there's a lot of men kissing each other and declaring their love, isn't that interesting?". Any reader who doesn't notice that just isn't paying attention.
"Different times. Remember when the books were published: those were not good gay times for gay people. And yet no one complained about all this supposed homoeroticism that Tolkien exposed children to."
Well, that's because the mainstream was almost completely unaware of homosexuality or gay rights issues, or the fact that homosexuals can be genuinely in love, or that they could be the heroes of sagas or good guys. IF the mainstream thought of homosexual men at all, it was as "perverts", criminals, people suffering from a mental illness, or child molestors. Like you said, bad times.
IMHO if "LOTR" was submitted to a publisher today, all that stuff would be taken out, now that we're living in an era when everyone is aware that if an officer and his batman are absolutely devoted to each other... it's not necessarily a platonic friendship.
Well, that's because the mainstream was almost completely unaware of homosexuality or gay rights issues, or the fact that homosexuals can be genuinely in love, or that they could be the heroes of sagas or good guys.
IF the mainstream thought of homosexual men at all, it was as "perverts", criminals, people suffering from a mental illness, or child molestors.
IMHO if "LOTR" was submitted to a publisher today, all that stuff would be taken out, now that we're living in an era when everyone is aware that if an officer and his batman are absolutely devoted to each other... it's not necessarily a platonic friendship.
"...you see things in books that the author did not intend to put there."
If the author didn't intend it, then it doesn't exist in his story. It's just you imagining your own story. It's irrelevant. You can read gay into any close male friendship in any book or movie, if you're inclined to do so, but if the author didn't intend it that way, your interpretation has no validity. It's just a reflection of your hangups.
You saw what you wanted to see
shareSo in other words....GAAAAAY!
Lol na I'm just kiddin
When watched back to back with Conan the Barbarian (1982) Yes it is.
It was never intended to be gay, it was supposed to be a friendship. Heck in the novel from what I remember they even tell each other they love each other.
shareExactly. The old culture loyalty. Modern gays project to it and label the movie as having a gay subplot even though there's no such thing.
shareTHIS POST IS ENTIRELY EMBARRASSING.
shareNot the right board for your gay fantasies. That wasn't the narrative of the story at all.
shareI blame the gayness on the casting of Elijah Wood as Frodo. His look was much too soft and feminine and he played Frodo as a passive character which Frodo wasn't in the books. In the books Frodo had firmness and resolve. And in the books Frodo was the kindly Master and Sam was his dutiful servant.
I don’t blame the topic creator. Male friendships are typically subtle and understated with makes it hard to depict them in movies. They tried to use obvious cues such exchanging looks and smiles, and that isn’t how males interact, so it comes off as if they are in love with each other.
shareYou don’t blame the fey OP. I do. Stop trying to paint an agenda that does not exist. It’s clear that the OP never breached the hundreds of pages of source material but just jumped into his own agenda.
sharelol if this isn't sarcasm, then what a bad take it was 😄
There's nothing woke about Jackson's LOTR trilogy. Sam's straight, he married a woman and had kids with her. No gays in these movies or the books.