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Is this anyone else's favorite Tarrantino film?


I don't know why, but I've always considered this one my favorite. Pulp Fiction is a VERY close second, but this one will always be on the top for me.

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Jackie Brown usually resides in the middle of my Tarantino rankings but it’s a great film. There really isn’t anyone quite like Pam Grier and I can’t get enough of her. The sound track is great with several throwbacks to 70’s blaxploitation. Great dialogue with tons of laughs, especially leaving the mall. The entire theme of aging - missed opportunities and the open ending is beautiful. I like to think Max Cherry eventually goes to Spain to find Jackie, but I know he won’t.

What a great film.

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Whenever I hear anyone say Jackie Brown is "Tarantino's best movie" or "my favorite Tarantino movie" or whatever, I have to assume either they're trolling, or they're the biggest hipster douchebag in town. It's a good movie, I like it. And I like it a little more every time I watch it. But I'd rank it toward the bottom of his collected works, not the top. Don't get me wrong, even Tarantino's "worst movies" are still pretty fucking great. It's just such a banal textbook formulaic thing relative to his other stuff. I remember being super disappointed the first time I saw it right when it hit theaters, and then when I found out it was adapted from a book instead of his own idea from scratch, "Ah, well, then no wonder."

Whatever secret sauce Tarantino has that makes a movie "a Tarantino movie," Jackie Brown has far less of it than any of his other movies. It's as if he said "OK, I've made two movies that are weird as shit. For my third, I'll make a regular straight-line movie." Thankfully he never did that again.

No surprise it's the favorite of people who say idiotic things like "Most of Tarantino's movies are for dumb teens" i.e. people who don't like Tarantino.

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what a fucking terrible take.

god forbid Tarantino actually focus on telling a good narrative for once instead of letting his coke-fueled obsession for grindhouse and exploitation movies take over

this isn't his best film but it's up there. it's definitely not "banal textbook formulaic thing" at all. it's full of his style, full of what makes QT so unique. this movie just does it in a much more subtle way that isn't as blatantly over the top or obnoxious like kill bill or especially django unchained. you're telling me the sex scene, the chris tucker cameo, and the mall heist DONT feel like tarantino?? they are about as tarantino as it gets, without him having an adhd ego trip in the editing room like practically every film he's made since the 90's.

people who were dissapointed this wasn't like pulp fiction are dumb.

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For this guy ^, I'm leaning toward 'biggest hipster douchebag in town.'

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It's his best movie because it's the only one adapted from a novel. Having a pre existing framework for his story stopped him from indulging in his usual excesses

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This may be the smartest comment I have read about Tarantino

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This is the only Tarantino I liked and I think it was because of Elmore Leonard's pre-existing framework. The one thing I thought was unnecessary was the excessive use of the 'n' word.

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Yes.

Most reasons are stated all over the place here, but they bear repeating.

After Pulp Fiction, there was a LOT of pressure put on QT to deliver "another great one" for the next one, and he made every body wait almost 3 years to get it(there would be longer waits ahead between later films.)


And -- evidently particularly for the "young people" that QT had cultivated as fans of Pulp Fiction -- this one was much more low-key, very "middle aged" (only Bridget Fonda really represented a youthful character), plotty and straightforward in the narrative.

QT made sure (eventually) to compare Jackie Brown to one of HIS favorites -- Howard Hawks comedy-talk-Western Rio Bravo" (1959) as a "hang out movie" in which just sitting back watching the CHARACTERS sit back and shoot the (well written breeze) for "a little too long" became the whole reason to enjoy the movie. NOT for the Western action in Rio Bravo; NOT for the crime caper action in Jackie Brown. Just to "hang out."

Robert Forster in "the role of his life" proved to be the guy we wanted in movies for a long time: quiet, polite, wry, observant, a little bit sad and lonely(he goes to matinees during the weekday from work)...but tough enough in a sometimes dangerous profession(bail bondsman). He's really more key to the movie than Pam Grier as Jackie Brown(also getting the role of her life) because we see HER often through HIS eyes.

Robert DeNiro wanted Forster's "bigger" role, but QT wouldn't allow it -- so he gave DeNiro a "secondary role" which is one of the most entertaining parts he ever played(thanks to the writing of QT and, I would expect, Elmore Leonard's original novel but very much in DeNiro's playing.) DeNiro plays a recently released convict who spends much of the movie sitting around doing nothing, vaguely reacting to others around him...looking cool but dim at the same time. He's not THAT dim -- he manages to get some quick sex from the younger Fonda. He's a lot of fun.

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With Pam Grier and Robert Forster as the "comeback couple" around whom the movie revolves, and DeNiro as the "major star showing up for his first time in a QT film" the others rather fill in around them.

Yes, Samuel L. Jackson probably has the biggest role and he's great with verbiage about "when you have to absolutely, positively kill every mf in town" or in his great long single-take successful attempt to get Chris Tucker in a car.

But Sam Jackson had been, and would be, in other QT films. Forster, Grier and DeNiro were singluar visitors.

Interesting how the movie breaks down:

Our heroes: Jackie Brown and Max Cherry.
Our villains: Samuel L, DeNiro, and Bridget
Our hero who acts like a villain: Michael Keaton

Great scenes of talk?

The whole first time Jackson comes into Forster's office to talk bail bonds...as DeNiro just slouches around.

Jackson and Tucker "I'm always having to take care of you and I don't mind to tell you...its a full time job." (Paraphrased.)

Bridget and DeNiro: Nice talk about roller blading and a trip to Japan. Followed by an invitation to screw, accepted with a matter of fact "OK" by DeNiro.

Forster and Grier talking about age, their jobs, their disappointments, their music...any time.

Bridget getting "mean and vicious like only a bitchy woman can" about DeNiro forgetting where he parked his car. The perfectly filmed consequence.

Sam and DeNiro driving around in the aftermath. "You coudn't a just HIT her?" "Is she dead?" "Yeah, uh pretty much."

QT perfectly notes that not only is Jackie Brown good for "hanging out with" the first time but -- just like Rio Bravo -- its a great movie to watch over and over, to re-visit like a trip to a bar for a drink with old friends.

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Having completed his "Los Angeles Crime Trilogy" of Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction (which is more "dazzling" that Jackie Brown but lacks the heart and pace of the later film; that French chick talking about blueberry pancakes kinda kills the film for awhile) and Jackie Brown, QT took six big years off and came back...changed.

He came back as a great action director(Kill Bill, Death Proof) and he still wrote great dialogue but things just got bigger and rougher and a bit sicker. He indulged his sadistic side. Some say it was the influence of young directors like Eli Roth(Hostel) a QT pal who ended up in his movies. Some said it was drugs (hey, drugs are prevalent in Hollywood, its jsut how well you use them.)

There are some great ones from Kill Bill on, but Jackie Brown stands as something a bit more heartwarming to come back to. QT can never go back.

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No. This is an accurate take: https://moviechat.org/tt0119396/Jackie-Brown/58c7737593cef4080d7a6ec4/Is-this-anyone-elses-favorite-Tarrantino-film?reply=624cd4947cd228487c2f1ca8

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NO...DRUFF & DROOCH ARE BOTH DOUCHEBAGS WHO THINK THEIR OPINIONS ARE FACT...COUPLE OF EGO DRIVEN DUMBASSES.

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It's his best movie. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is his second best.

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No surprise it's the favorite of people who say idiotic things like "Most of Tarantino's movies are for dumb teens" i.e. people who don't like Tarantino.

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Actually I've never thought that Tarantino's movies are for teenagers. Most of the hate is FROM teenagers.

He's always been older than his years and catered to a middle-aged crowd. He references old TV shows like The Rebel and The Virginian and Get Christie Love, and old movies like The Enemy Below(from the 50s!). Jackie Brown is about a middle-aged sort of love affair almost ruined by mostly middle-aged crooks.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood has meaning for all, but special meaning for anybody who actually REMEMBERS 1969.

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I agree with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I was 8 in 69, but I remember it well and it takes me back to those weird and wonderful days. For younger people it will probably not make much of an impression.

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