An innocent person, sure, they would have, but those two hoods were had killed other people before and after Nuggs. They deserved to go to prison and get raped some more.
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Disagree. Perhaps they deserved to do time for one of the other crimes they committed, but that man definitely deserved to die and at the hands of his victims. They shouldn't serve even a second for his killing.
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Ever thought about that the lives of the two may would have turned out much different without the abuse they experienced?
I think that's one of the main problems of society today, first taking notice when the circle of violence closes - and not when it starts.
The FIRST VICTIMS in this whole story were definitely the boys. And who could be more innocent like children. To me, nothing is more abhorrent like an adult using his power to hurt and to abuse a helpless kid. Nothing causes more damage to society like this.
By growing up after what they experienced they had to carry the trauma that was laid on their shoulders every single day. How can anyone expect this won't affect the development of their character?
This is no excuse, but it represents the root of their tendency to violence.
While I agree with everything you're saying, the first victim was the guy that got killed in the first place. Without him, there would be no abuse to the boys.
Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself- Omar Little
He didn't die the movie clearly shows him convalescing in hospital, Shakes narration even says 'While James Caldwell was slowly recovering in St. Claire's hospital...'. That cleared up yes he was the first victim but not a victim of malice or sustained sexual and physical abuse. He was the victim of a stupid childish prank by a group of kids who seemed otherwise inherently good natured and remorseful despite their environment. Nokes and his cronies doled out a debased, perverse, violent sustained attack over the course of at least a year. Kids make mistakes it's part of growing up, adults should know better.
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You are right. Forgot that he didn't die. But that doesn't change the fact that he was the first victim. And I wasn't comparing them to Nokes. That would be ridiculous. Of course he's way worse. Its not even a debate. The above poster stated the children were the FIRST VICTIMS. and I just stated that they weren't the first.
Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself- Omar Little
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They paid for thier crimes in the end, both died at 29. Nokes was a terrible person, but I don't know if he was fully responsible for turning them to a life of crime. Michael and Shakes suffered the same abuses and grew up to be law-abding citizens.
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How do you know NOKES wasn't abused as a child too? If he was, does it make his abuses as justifiable as JOHN & TOMMY's murders?
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Well, what Nokes did to children was hardly a REVENGE, it was nothing but of sadistic nature.
Eileen Wuornos for example got abused, beaten and raped by several men, therefor she developed a deep rooted hate at men and killed them, she never killed a girl or a woman.
How do you know NOKES wasn't abused as a child too? If he was, does it make his abuses as justifiable as JOHN & TOMMY's murders?
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They deserved to get molested and raped for what they did to the innocent man in the subway (and ruining the cart-owners business and livlihood).
All four of them were pieces of sh!t. I'm not defending Nuggs, just saying those kids aren't any better and they aren't victims.
Never trust a black man named "Chip."
First, it's Nokes, not Nuggs. Repeat after me ..... NOKES.
Secondly, they didn't set out to ruin the cart-owners business. And they didn't intend for the cart to go down the stairs. You're pretty twisted if you think an accident means someone deserves to be raped and tortured both mentally and physically. I hope you never are the cause of an accident and if you are you might want to plug up your holes and say some prayers. If you can compare a kid who's prank went wrong to a child molesting crapbag and come up with 1 and 1 is 2 you're in for a lot of rides on the short bus.
Secondly, they didn't set out to ruin the cart-owners business. And they didn't intend for the cart to go down the stairs.
I never ever thought that prisoners even guilty of violent crimes including murder and whatnot "deserve to be raped" in prison at all.
And if we are to condemn this crime in real life outside the bars when it happens to innocent people, there's no real reason we shouldn't feel the same about it happening inside.
To be honest, I feel rather bad but also confused at the hypocrisy of some people who condemn a universally inexcusable deed under one circumstance but condone it in another.
And that way - society demonstrates time and time again how little, basically none at all, it wants people to live in harmony with each other.