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Underage drinking and Val saying he had job offers already. Silly.


I noticed that Val is offered booze by his father Armand, yet he is only 20. Okay, I'll buy that. But at the party, even the 18 year old fiance is drinking, and at the table where her parents are. And they are conservative Republicans. That's *beep* They wouldn't have that, and Armand wouln't even think of serving her alcohol in front of her parents. They should have made the kids older because this is plot hole.

Second, Val tells everyone that he's got 'job offers' already when they mention that he's too young to get married, or when they ask him how he's going to support himself. He's a sophmore and has job offers? *beep* Absolute *beep* unless he's talking about Pizza Hut or Taco Bell. They don't recruit sophmores.

Why the hell didn't they make him a senior and her a junior so they could skirt these two plot holes?

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I don't get where the 'underage' drinking is a plot hole. So-called 'drinking age laws' actually only regulate the PURCHASE/OWNERSHIP OF ALCOHOL. It is legal for parents to allow their children to consume alcohol and where I live it's perfectly common behaviour as well.

As for job offers, a programmer friend of mine was recruited out of high school, and not even grade 12 at that.

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I don't think that's unusual for them to be drinking---my parents actually encouraged me to have a little bit of alcohol at 17 and I turned out fine. Heck, if he's allowed to SMOKE in front of his Dad, having some wine at 20 is small potatoes.

As for job offers, plenty of university students have day jobs (or jobs on a part time basis) and take some evening classes. It's called juggling.

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We don't know any background information about either of these topics. The serving of alcohol is plausible. My father is every bit as conservative and Republican as the parents were, and he let me drink if I asked permission from the time I was about 14. It's not that big a plot hole.
As for the job offers, we don't know what he's studying. It could be something that only takes two years to complete, like a vocation. Or he could have started college early.
Neither of these things are central to the plot, so they aren't really that big a deal and can be explained pretty easily.

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People should just lighten up. my god.

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Seriously, I know both Conservatives and Liberals and um Conservatives party a lot harder and at younger ages.

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I don't agree with the OP entirely, but a lot of the people posting in this thread are misunderstanding one of his criticisms.

Regarding the alcohol - of course there are people under 21 who drink (including conservatives), and it's not necessarily illegal. But the OP didn't say that it was unrealistic for Barbara to drink alcohol, or that people under 21 never drink with their parents. He said that it was unrealistic for Armand and Albert to serve Barbara, under the circumstances.

Considering how desperate Armand was to please the Keeleys, and how conservative the Keeleys were, I also think it would be pretty strange for him to give their 17-year-old daughter alcohol, without even asking them first if they were okay with it.

Is that momentary lack of realism a huge deal? No, of course not. But this is an IMDB message board, where people come to analyze movies to death. I like it that way.

Re: the sophomore in college thing - do they say in the movie that Val is a sophomore? I was 20 throughout my entire junior year of college, and I didn't graduate from high school early, or anything like that. So unless the script actually says that he's a sophomore, I don't think it's necessarily unrealistic.

I think they should have changed the kids' ages anyway, though...for a variety of reasons. Yes, the kids were very young in La Cage Aux Folles. But this remake clearly didn't use every detail from the original film. If they can make the butler Guatemalan instead of black, they can make the kids a bit older. Especially if they were going to cast a 27-year-old as a 20-year-old, and a 31-year-old as a 17-year-old!

Besides, 17 is absurdly young to be engaged. It happens, but usually not with such upscale families. (What U.S. Senator is going to think it would be good PR for his 17-year-old daughter to get married?) Anyway, both sets of parents should have objected to the marriage, because of the age issue alone.

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Making the ages of the kids younger makes more sense because what Val and Barbabra were trying to do was a bit foolish and done out of fear that they would not be able to marry if her parents did not agree. Obviously if she was 18 or older they would not have needed parental consent.

Val's attitude toward Albert can also be explained because of his age. He's young and did not really step back and think beyond his own situation and objective of getting married to a young girl from a high profile conventional family. If Val was older one would hope he would have had the emotional maturity to understand how his actions would affect his parents- especially Albert who was being used and discarded as they pleased.

To me, Val did seem level headed at times but as someone else on the post mentioned, the pretense of a "regular" family could not have lasted long and plenty could have gone wrong before and after the wedding. So obviously he is also a bit childish and immature in his thinking... which the script can attribute to his age.

Additionally, one can also attribute the insistence on marriage to their "young ages". They had a sense of urgency to be married even though they obviously could have waited until they were both was older, financially independent and not have to put on any pretenses.


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It was a celebratory occasion. When I was younger - for weddings or big events like New Years Eve - they'd give us a glass of wine or champagne.

I agree the job offers thing doesn't make sense, though, unless hes a genius. Then again, we never learn what hes majoring in, so it could be something like computer design or accounting or a great athlete or something where companies will invest in people at a young age so they can have them when they graduate.

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We are talking about wine here, not hard liquor, there is a different connotation between drinking a glass of wine with dinner or boozing it up...

As for the job offers, some people are just lucky, though nowadays that happens less and less. I had to claw my way to where I am now while others I know effortlessly got into my area- it can be quite frustrating but I try to not dwell on it....

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