Legitimate question
How was this show successful? Not saying I think it's bad quite the opposite but I can't see how this had mass appeal.
shareHow was this show successful? Not saying I think it's bad quite the opposite but I can't see how this had mass appeal.
shareThings change in 20 years. Baywatch was also hugely successful. And look at that pile of *beep* now.
I think the premise of 3rd Rock allows for a lot of far fetched stretching of imagination. I feel like I'm dating myself, but it was always a highlight of our evening for me and my sisters and mom to sit down and watch it.
I think the cast had some great chemistry and the jokes were well written.
Of course it's a "legitimate question"-- who would argue otherwise?
That said, I don't have a legitimate answer. I do remember that the show was heavily promoted by NBC during the premiere and for at least the next few seasons-- Super Bowl tie-ins, an "experimental" 3D episode, the works.
Also, the premise was hyped as something more than, say, "My Favorite Martian" 2.0; it was touted as both a zany comedy and a sharp and insightful social satire (as sitcoms go).
I sort of remember some "water cooler" buzz from people who liked it because it was "different" and "out there" in a good way; it had a mix of standard broad sitcom humor and witty observations about life on Earth (and life in academia).
And I think it's possible that "3rd Rock" may have gotten some traction because of the success of "ALF", even though it premiered several years after "ALF" was cancelled.
Like I say, it's a circular answer. But I think it really was a matter of a heavily promoted "fresh" concept with an appealing cast just catching on.
Great premise.
Great cast.
Great writers.
At least for a few seasons, then it was able to coast.
The NBC network took a chance. After the fact, one can say it had a great premise, great writing, yadda, yadda (and it did), but this was surprise hit to everyone involved. It took almost 2 years to get on the air and ABC passed on it twice.
That's when NBC picked it up and put it on the schedule as a mid-season replacement. But it was their only mid-season show and they felt confident it had a chance against other sitcoms -- which at the time were all Seinfeld and Friends knock-offs about dating and life in the city -- so they poured a $20 million advertising campaign behind it.
The show enjoyed an ideal combination of elements that made it successful: Great support by NBC; unexpected premise; surprising casting (John Lithgow was not known to mainstream America as a comedic actor); a choice time slot that allowed it to build its own audience rather than just coast off a lead-in (it was on Tuesdays between a dying Wings and a strong Frasier); and tight writing. That's why it was a hit. But without this mix, it could've easily failed.
It also has serious international appeal.
Humour translates really poorly across cultures, but 'American humour' as represented by the average sitcom has a particularly bad rep overseas for being of the lowest common denominator.
3rd Rock feels almost like a throw-back to the classic 50s comedies like 'Some Like it Hot' which bridged that cultural gap. It's smart, wacky, socially insightful and has high caliber actors instead of 1-note stand up comedians.
Friends,
I believe that this could partly have been due to the BBC series, "Red Dwarf". RD was an instant hit with US fans, and had recently resumed after an imposed hiatus due to one of the stars being tried on trumped up charges. The Brits had a hit on their hands, so why not try it here? And the two American made pilots for Red Dwarf did not go over well with test audiences (of course), so something completely new had to be tried. Whatever, it worked. I did not watch 3rd Rock on it's original run, catching only a few episodes simply by channel-hopping. But in less than 48 hours, I've knocked out the 1st season and I'm about 10 episodes through the 2nd season on NETFLIX. It's not very often that American television does something so right, but they nailed the target with this one. The cast is phenomenal. I recall that John Lithgow received at least one Emmy for lead actor in a comedy, and he certainly deserved it. It was Lithgow and Curtin that gave this mass appeal. Two stars doing what they do best, and making it look effortless: comedy. "Dying is easy, comedy is hard." -Speaker unknown.
CKB
How was this show successful? Not saying I think it's bad quite the opposite but I can't see how this had mass appeal.
Also, I think John Lithgow's performance helped. He was brilliant.
shareHe really was! I still enjoy it now, 20 years later.
shareJohn Lithgow and Jane Curtin were fantastic! To this day Dick Solomon and Mary Albright are still one of my favorite onscreen couples. They had true comedic chemistry!
I still watch the show and it cracks me up. It's streaming on Hulu and Netflix.
Season 1 was reasonably successful because it was very humorous and the character acting was top notch out of the gate. It rated 22nd in the Nielsen ratings in its first season. Season 2 slipped slightly in ratings to 28th. Subsequent seasons continued to fall more as each season passed until it was called to be canceled in its 6th season while at 89th in ratings. The end was written and broadcast in its final season. Not many people realize it was canceled because the 6th season was a complete 20 episodes - just as many as the first season.
In the big picture, it was not a greatly successful series. It was rather unique on the other hand and many people love(d) it.
John Lithgow played a villian his entire career and this show proved how great an actor he was. Similar to Christopher Walken's career.
Additionally, it was a great twist on a fish out of water.
Also, Jane Curtis and Lithgow were movie actors. It was unheard of (career killer) to make the switch to TV.
Jokes were non stop and the supporting cast knew their roles.
No offense, but Jane Curtin (not Curtis) didn't exactly make an unheard-of "switch" to TV.
As her Wikipedia entry correctly states, Curtin "First [came] to prominence as an original cast member on the hit TV comedy series Saturday Night Live in 1975, she went on to win back-to-back Emmy Awards for Best Lead Actress in a Comedy Series on the 1980s sitcom Kate & Allie portraying the role of Allison 'Allie' Lowell."
For that matter, Lithgow did a lot of TV work prior to starring in "3rd Rock"-- mostly made-for-TV movies, but occasional guest appearances.
See: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001475/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I agree that they were good choices for "3rd Rock", and played their parts well.
No offense taken.
I didn't do any research, it was all based from (poor) memory.
Curtin* chalk that up to auto correct.
Yes she did have a breakthrough with Kate and Allie in the 70s and a good stint on SNL, though I considered her a movie actor in the late 80s. Then for her to switch back to TV was .. Unexpected?
French Stewart acted well, but in my opinion I thought they could have casted someone better like Deidrich Bader or Ryan Stiles. Perhaps Niles from Frasier. Would have been funny if one of the aliens ended up with a permanent non American accent
"Newman" did well as a love interest for Sally.
I get the tongue in cheek with William Shatner but to me that's when the show started to jump shark.
I could have used more Nina and less girlfriends of Gordon-Levitts character.
*I didn't check the spelling on names
Also I wish Lithgows real life son would have ended up being another alien, secretly there to make sure they don't blow their cover. Could've left it open for a spin-off.
What do you think and suggest?
I pretty much agree with your take(s).
I'm OK with French Stewart as Harry, but I see your point. I do find it hard to project another sitcom actor as Harry, since I'm used to them in their other roles.
I'm more or less a Star Trek/Shatner fan, but I also think Shatner's Big Giant Head stint was overdone. I preferred Dennis Rodman's briefer appearance-- probably the only time Rodman can be used as an example of "less is more". 😉
I'm with you on "more Nina". However, I also wish they'd dialed down Nina's snark/bitchiness towards Dick in their passing office encounters. I hope this "B-word" isn't taboo here, because frankly it's exactly the quality TV writers have increasingly milked over the past several years.
I'm sure it's me, since apparently to most people "mean" really is funny, and the meaner the funnier.
Your suggestion about Leon being eventually revealed as an alien definitely has possibilities. It's a clever twist; they could even have written a "reveal" that begins with Dick somehow finding out that he and Leon share DNA.
It may be a topic for another thread-- but speaking of Leon, the classroom scenes with Leon, Bug, et al are particular favorites of mine. I can't get enough of those scenes, and always wish they were longer and more frequent.
I feel the same way about the group therapy sessions in "The Bob Newhart Show" (before it jumped the shark).
It's a tough call, because I appreciate that these interludes work best when they're not overdone. Again, less is more.
I'm not sure a spinoff could be built around Leon, but if they included the student ensemble I'd tune in. ("Pendleton"?) Now they're too old for even graduate school, unfortunately; I've lost track of all of them, so I don't know if they're still acting.
FWIW, I thought the students were short-changed in the uneven and disappointing finale. I think I miss them more than I miss the Solomons.
Kate & Allie was in the mid/late-80s, not 70s.
She did all of two movies in the 80s, and they were really bad. At no time was she ever really known as a movie actress. She was always predominantly from TV.
I don't don't watch too many sitcoms, because I can't stand the precocious children who are smarter than the adults. But I found this on Netflix and I love it.
shareHonestly, what with the sh!t that passes for TV entertainment today, I think that I'd PAY to see shows like this one come back.
shareAgreed. Did you like Frasier? I never saw it when it first was on. But I'm watching it now on Netflix. I think it's hilarious. I also like Big Bang, but I think it used to be better. I think the characters are getting too old.
shareI completely agree with you. I'm watching more and more of the older shows on Netflix and Hulu and less of the shows on network TV now. 3rd Rock was one of my favorites when it first aired and I still love it. John Lithgow is hilarious. He's always reminded me a little bit of John Cleese from Monty Python. Another one of my favorites.
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