Really? Of all the villians that bit the dust, the villian that doesn't die is this *beep* Scar and Jafar were cool, but he's just a fat dick! First him, now Hans! Disney must love to piss us off of who dies. Also, the only guy who dies in this movie is a good guy who got shot by mr. Bale! What a crap film!
shareHaving Ratcliffe die probably didn't fix the context of the story. Regardless of whether it was intentional or not, Ratcliffe is not so much a character, but a representative figure of greed in the English colony, and a more comedic villain at that. And while there's no rule that says they can't, Disney normally doesn't kill one of their comedic villains (think Captain Hook and Prince John).
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Yzma from "The emperor's new groove" wasn't killed off either.
But that movie was a pure comedy, so it makes sense that she was allowed to live.
I'm actually a bit tired of Disney always killing off the villain, it's actually refreshing when they don't. Jafar wasn't killed either, by the way.
shareHave you seen the movie Frozen? The villain in this movie doesn't die either, and I know it can be tiring of Disney pretty much killing off the villains but that is Disney for you. If you have missed out on the movie, I won't spoil for you who the villain is reveled to be, but I will expect you will be surmised of who it is. I haven't watched this movie in a long time, so I can't remember if he got killed or not, but this confirms it for me.
shareI already know that Prince Hans is the villian! Read the post I made! Also, I know that JAfar didn't die, but as his punishment to be in the lamp, that still means he's kind of dead!
shareI see it but did you also forget about Cruella DeVil she was another one that also didn't die as well. I don't know if anybody else has pointed that out, but please forgive for not reading all your post.
shareIt would've made sense for Radcliffe to die. I understand why Hades survived since he's a god, but why didn't they kill Radcliffe?
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The butler in the Aristocats does not die either.
shareThat's true, next to Scar, Ratcliff is one of the most evil and unsympathetic male villains in Disney history.
Then again, the villains from Pinocchio and hunters who shot Bambi's mom didn't die.
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If you weren't responding to Thornspike, I apologize. But I actually felt pity for the Butler in Aristocats. he slaves for that woman all his life and then she leaves her money to a bunch of cats who can't even use it. Trying to kill the cat and the kittens was wrong but he did have every right to be angry. Then again leaving your money to animals who aren't even capable of understanding the concept of money is pretty stupid.
shareReally, I have a cat that I named Berlioz after the "Aristocats" kitten lying next to me in my bed right now.
So I can't feel any pity for Edgar at all.
Look I don't condone him killing the cats but it goes without saying that cats can't use money. They can't pay a mortgage on a house or pay an electric bill. That is what makes the premise so ridiculous. She might as well just burn her money up than to give it to a bunch of animals that can't even use it.
shareYeah, but it doesn't change that Edgar is the villain of that movie.
So I can't see why anybody would feel pity for him.
Then again, I guess I'm almost as much of a eccentric cat lady as Madame Bonfamille.
So planning to kill five cats (even if he is stopped from actually doing it) will just make me hate that person.
Maybe the reason I sympathize with him is that took care of that woman and she leaves him absolutely freaking nothing. And not only that gives it to a bunch of cats who can't even use it. Who wouldn't be angry in a scenario like that? I admit it does seem kind of dumb for him to kill the cats instead of just giving them away to someone who wants them, but he was angry about getting snubbed by the woman he cared for.
shareTrue, but I would rather have quit the job than try to kill the cats.
Edgar chose to do a thing, that is pretty much unforgivable to me as a devoted cat owner.
Thus, I can't see him as sympathetic.
And also, he became a threat to the leads of the story and worked as a villain to me.
Ratcliffe was a bad guy but the real villain of Pocahontas was ignorance and hatred.
shareRatcliffe dying would've defeated the whole purpose of this movie. Also, I'm pretty sure life in an English prison of that era was probably way worse than death.
shareI don't think he would've gone to prison in England for trying to kill a native chieftain who almost killed a prominent English colonist. The Virginia Company probably just fired him on his return.
shareIRL he probably wouldn't even have experienced that - they likely would've just transferred him somewhere else. But in this movie, there'd be movie justice. I wanna believe in that justice.
shareI would have preferred an English prison to be skinned alive as a captive, which is what happened to Ratcliffe in 1610.
shareDark. I'm not sure that would've been deserved, because he was operating on the orders of the king, so I don't get why he did was considered abhorrent enough to warrant that kind of punishment.
shareThe English were encroaching upon the natives land, there was fighting and deaths on each side. Ratclilffe was a leader and the natives held him accountable after they captured him.
I've sure the natives did not give a damn about any foreign king just as Americans didn't care about the fate of Saddam Hussein.
Sorry, I misread that as him being skinned alive by the British - obviously the natives would be doing the skinning, silly me.
shareFlaying was not limited to use by natives in the Americas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaying
Check out what the English did to William Wallace.
The film is inspired by real events and people.
Ratcliffe is depicted as being sent back to England in 1607. Ratcliffe was actually captured by the locals and skinned alive (resulting in his death) in 1610.
He was tied to a stake in front of a fire and flayed by the women of the tribe with mussel shells, with pieces of his skin tossed into the flames as he watched
Read the book "Love and Hate in Jamestown" for details on Pocahantas and Smith's lives in the colony as well as details of her marriage to John Rolfe after she was kidnapped by the English.
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