After the rape scene...


Why was everyone being horrible to Sera after she was beaten and raped? They kicked her out of her motel, pushed her out of the casino by the skirt, gave her verbal abuse about being a whore and left her with no more clients. Why did they do that?

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Simple answer: People can be extremely terrible and heartless beings.

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1) The Taxi driver was mean because he didn't want to get stiffed for the cab fare, as he correctly figured out that she had suffered being raped ("I see you had a little trouble sitting down, did you recieve an unexpected backdoor delivery?)

2) Her landlords kicked her out because they saw her coming home and they saw that she was a hooker that had had a rough night, and didn't want that trouble in their complex, also prejudice may have been involved.

3) They didn't want her in the casino, because they felt that having women that are obvious hookers there is bad for business.

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It's called victim blaming. Alot of the times, when a person (especially female) is raped, they believe it's partially her fault that she got raped. A pretty despicable mindset.

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Can you really call it rape, or occupational hazard in the context of the scene in this film? Brutal, yes, but she put herself in the position of being abused the minute she chose her "career." So much so that she didn't even bother to report it to the authorities.

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It is relevant. You are wrong. Don't presume to tell anyone what they can or can't do on a public forum.

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Of course it is rape...

If you are fighting a war and you get shot, does that mean you don't really get shot simply because you put yourself in harms way?

I'm sure most hookers realize there is a good chance it can happen, but that doesn't change the definition of it when it does.

You are clearly wrong. I'll add the definition of the word for your benefit. As you can see there isn't any "unless you are a prostitute" in there.


–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape.
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

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"If you are fighting a war and you get shot, does that mean you don't really get shot simply because you put yourself in harms way?"

If the same criteria were used in your example, then any soldier who shoots another is guilty of first degree murder.

Read the thread, context makes a difference. At least we're in agreement that whores accept this as an occupational hazard.

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Legal and Moral are rarely the same. My main point, which I admit I didn't articulate very well, is that giving the rape of a prostitute the same weight as another person who doesn't knowingly put themselves in that position, diminishes the true nature of the crime.
As in your example of restraining orders, the courts give them out like candy on Halloween (not getting into any merits, just a fact), so when someone REALLY needs one, to protect themselves from an imminent danger, it doesn't carry the weight or serve the real purpose it's intended for. Restraining orders have become little more than a tactic used to bolster civil proceedings.
In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls.

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Don't be stupid. Some *beep* might rape a prostitute because he thinks like you. So he'll get off scott free since it was just "an occupational hazard". *beep* That *beep* was not only sick enough to commit rape, but sick enough to rape a prostitute and then convince themselves that it wasn't as bad as if they were to rape some innocent little princess. *beep* That person thinks more sickly than the average rapists, and THEY are the ones to really be careful for. Cause they're all around us. Sick people with sick minds who find ways to cover up the sick things they do and say and mislead people into thinking they're okay. Hell, those 3 college kids probably forgot about it, carried on with their lives and became "successful folk", while good old people like sera and ben get *beep* time and again cause people think there's wrong with them. Maybe you didn't get the point of the film, and maybe you need to go watch it again, but that's kinda the main point...Ben and Sera are clearly portrayed as the "good natured" folk of all that are shown in the film. However, they're the outsiders, while the rest of the characters are selfish and extremely self-righteous. So, which personality is really the sick one?

Back to the point of the thread; don't be stupid. Rape is a crime of action. (See how it's a verb). Therefore, a subject has to do that action. Rape occurs anytime a person does rape. (See definition of rape from the post a couple previous to this). Whether the action is to a prostitute, a 5 year old girl, a daughter, a mother, a man, a boy, a giraffe, a pie, or some pretentious IMDB critic, it IS rape. (You are now proving how pretentious you are by thinking, "hell this guy's being pretentious". Again, don't be stupid. That was the only seemingly pretentious thing I've said.

Rape begins in the mind of a being. That being has a thought, that thought is transmitted by neurons, that impulse is felt then acted upon. If the impulse is strong enough, then the person does the action. For example, when I decide to type a message on IMDB, a strong enough impulse is felt for my to move my fingers in order to pursue that objective. When I want to talk, my thought is transformed (by will) into words which are then sent as an impulse (by will) to be spoken. How loud I speak is also willful. Do you see a pattern?

WILL! Get it? The existence of the impulse as well as intensity is characterized by the subjects WILL. I'm sure a lot of people have fantasized about rape. I'm sure a lot of people see a hot chick walking along the sidewalk and think, hell I'd like to *beep* her. If only I could do it with no reprocussions!. Then that person thinks about how it's wrong. Legally, wrong!. Morally, wrong! yes, of course, that can't be right, I'm not thinking about how they would feel. etc etc...lots of reasons.

But

The person who acts on that impulse is sick. He WILLFULLY sends an intense enough impulse from his brain for his body to act in the appropriate manner. What's the appropriate manner? No, it's not the manner that the law prescribes. Nor, is it the manner that his mom prescribed. The appropriate manner of a person is exactly that, It's his individually designed concept. In this case, that manner is to commit rape. People thinking about doing this act are sick. People who do it are even sicker. But it's not because of what he does, it's because of HOW. And I don't mean how like how he physically does it, but HOW he is THINKING.

I'm shocked someone would think something so inhumane as "prostitutes being raped shouldn't be weighted as significantly since, for them, it's simply an occupational hazard". Don't be retarded. Rape is not an occupational hazard, you twat. When was the last time a nail resisted a hammer, flew up in the air and stabbed a carpenter in the head, or a building DECIDED (as if consciously) to collapse and let 1000 businessmen die? Let alone would these be considered "occupational hazards" if they were possible? If I took a job as a police officer, is it not an occupational hazard for him to shoot me? Of course not. That's not *beep* logical. Why? Cause, why the *beep* would a cop kill another cop, just like that. That's exactly the scenerio with the rape of a prostitute. It is wrong from a cop to kill another cop on the job. It is wrong for a person to kill a prostitute on the job. If it is illogical to consider the former an occupational hazard, it is similarly illogical to consider the latter. See how illogical your idea was? It's as if you are saying that we should expect people to rape their prostitutes. As if they have a *beep* right to do it. It's not part of the job, you idiot. And, if you haven't figured out what I'm saying, or can't bend your head around it, it's is an action that one person commits to another. The crime is in the action of the person committing it.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm drunk, and pissed off someone would think like you and have the nerve to defend it. I hope you don't try defending this. You're *beep* wrong. And if you don't think you're wrong, know that everyone else here thinks you are and that you're just as bad as that college kid raping sera.

I'm gonna leave you with some Dead Prez lyrics: I'm not a hunter but i am told,
that, uh, in places like in the arctic,
where indiginous people sometimes might, might, hunt a wolf,
they'll take a double edged blade,
and they'll put blood on the blade,
and they'll melt the ice and stick the handle in the ice,
so that only the blade is protruding,
and that a wolf will smell the blood and wants to eat,
and it will come and lick the blade trying to eat,
and what happens is when the wolf licks the blade,
of course, he cuts his tongue, and he bleeds,
and he thinks he's really having a good thing,
and he drinks and he licks and he licks,
and of course he is drinking his own blood and he kills himself,
thats what the Imperialists did with us with crack cocaine,
you have these young brothers out there who think they are getting something
they gonna make a living with,
they is getting something they can buy a car,
like the white people have cars, why can't i have a car?
they getting something they can get a piece of gold,
white people have gold, why can't i have gold?
they getting something to get a house,
white people have a house, why can't i have a house?
and they actually think that theres something thats bringing resources to them,
but they're killing themsleves just like the wolf was licking the blade,
and they're slowly dying without knowing it.
thats whats happening to the community, you with me on that?
thats exactly, precisely what happens to the community,
and instead of blaming the hunter who put the damn handle and blade in the ice
for the wolf,
that what happens is the wolf gets the blame, gets the blame for trying to live,
thats what happens in our community,
you don't blame the person, the victim,
you blame the oppressor, Imperialism, white power is the enemy,
was the enemy when it first came to Africa,
and snatched up the first African brothers here against our will,
isss the enemy today,
and thats the thing that we have to understand.


The context is different but the content is similar. Do you get it? It is the *beep* up part of the general society to blame the victims instead of the oppressors. Why immediately blame the hooker or the alcoholic? If you do, it's really too bad, they're probably better people than you are.

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i agree it was rape she was forced to have anal sex when she said no but i do agree that is an occupational hazard

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You can't be all that drunk, you write too well.

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Cobram is obviously a 19 year old kid (male) with no understanding of the word rape.

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Wow, name calling and conjecture about the poster. That really adds much to any discussion. Nice argument, excellent points and counter points you posted, is that all they teach you at that Jr. High you're in?

Man without relatives is man without troubles. Charlie Chan

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It being an occupational hazard doesn't negate the fact that it's RAPE. You are an idiot for suggesting otherwise. Here is what you wrote:

"Can you really call it rape, or occupational hazard in the context of the scene in this film?"

It can be both you idiot. And the point I was trying to make in my comparison really flew over you head there...

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You're saying she wasn't raped?

She obviously didn't want to have sex with any of those people anymore, hence it wasn't consensual, hence it was rape.

They also beat her in the process.

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No means no. Easy as that. Whether a woman is a whore or a virgin doesn't matter. Rape is rape.

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I'll reply to you, then. You obviously
are someone who can't think outside of
the box created by radical feminists and
university professors. I think that makes
you, and them, intolerant and abusive to
others who disagree with you.

I also think you all need help because of all
the holier-than-thou people on our planet,
you all are some of the worst.

Now, prove me wrong.

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Of course its rape. Saying rape is a occupational hazard of being a hooker is like saying murder is a occupational hazard. And its true hookers are more likely to be raped and murdered. So amagin if she had been killed by those boys would it not be murder because her job puts her in more danger.

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It became rape the moment she refused to do what was asked and tried to leave. Going on your analogy of the shark feeder, if the shark feeder refused to do the job and tried to leave but the boss forces him into the tank, that is where it becomes a crime. It does not make any difference whether she was there by choice or not.

And if you're going to say that she took the money and should have done her job, I agree with you. But once she refused she should have been allowed to give the money back and leave, but she didn't get a chance to give the money back before it turned ugly.

Florida! But that's Americas wang

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I recall that the college jerks just threw the money on the bed, but that she didn't take it because she was trying to 'restore' some sort of order, then it became violent.

She only "took" the money after she had been raped and they left it there for her.

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Ultimately I would call it rape and that being raped is a hazard she is putting herself in with her occupation. She did want to leave and they forced her to stay, thus rape. My guess is if they had approached her in a not aggressive manner with more $, she would have been more willing. My husband works in a prison, their have been cases when a inmate has tried to rape a female staff, just because it's a occupational hazard doesn't mean it isn't rape (even on a lesser scale). It's just the lack of respect prostitutes have that makes it appear that way.

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Of course it's still rape. You truly disgusting moron.

"I love a coward!"

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It's still rape. If you sell stereos for a living and someone takes one from you instead of paying for it, it's still theft, right?

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You don't think that was rape. WTF is wrong with you? You should be ashamed.

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"Can you really call it rape"

Yes! A working girl consents to certain activities, but most certainly not others.

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That's actually not true. Especially these days. A female victim can cry rape, even if it's not true, and the man will be sent to prison and his life will be ruined with virtually no evidence, because the law these days say that women don't lie about rape. Which is, "a pretty despicable mindset".

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That's actually not true, especially these days. A vindictive female can cry rape, after simply feeling a case of "buyer's remorse", and the man will be sent to prison and his life ruined, because judges now say that a women wouldn't lie about rape, which is, "a pretty despicable mindset".

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uh...not victim blaming. Sorry. She, as a prostitute, put herself in a position most of us are never in. Not a mindset, but actions have consequences. Do I think she deserved to be raped? No. Prostitutes don't deserve to be raped. But, it's a possible consequence of the life that was chosen.

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Victim? She set herself up

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Let us not overlook the obvious: It was much more dramatic and manipulative that way.

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This thread had a good start with people expressing their opinion in polite ways. unfortunaly the latest posts have become an amalgam of insults.. perhaps because this is a delicate topic and some people become very touchy, but that's no excuse.. I remind you all that the opinion is free and that we all have the right to have one..

Back to the topic, i agree that rape is a crime no matter what and no matter who suffer it but i can also aknowledge that cobram has a point... a prostitute puts herself deliberatly in a position that this would like to be a common situation.. said this i agree both people that in spite of being a "work hazard", rape is still a crime and should be dealt with the apropriate manners, though we must distinguish a real rape (as someone as brought to the topic before) from fake ones in order to get financial benefit...

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When someone runs out of points or ideas, they resort to yelling and name calling. The flawed logic in the little I skimmed made me laugh, the examples were so off the mark. Cops are there to enforce laws, and if they do get shot on the job, it is indeed an occupational hazard. Comparing inanimate objects to people also reflects a rather unique thought process.
The restraining order analogy works even in the circumstances presented in the film. The 2006 Duke University lacrosse "rape" case reinforces the point too. Read any police blotter, court records or talk to law enforcement that deal with these things, and it's a fact that many prostitutes and their pimps will use the threat of a rape accusation to extort more money from their clients, their pimps beat them up and they threaten rape charge on some sucker. This results in nobody giving much weight to a hooker crying rape, so even assaults like the one portrayed in this film aren't reported, and if reported, they're scoffed off as more of the same by those that deal with these things all the time. Like many things in this film, this scene took many artistic licenses. Nobody in that state would have made it out of a Vegas hotel unnoticed, somebody would have called the authorities. The beating she took would in reality have probably have put her in a coma, or broken a few bones. Those genius jocks would have put that video on YouTube too.
As stated before, it's akin to the situation now common with restraining orders, they no longer carry the weight they used to. How are the authorities to distinguish which ones merit serious attention?

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Cobram, what about men who murder prostitutes, like Robert Pickton in Canada (as an extreme example)?

The prostitutes may have been in a dangerous area, and pursuing a profession that is widely acknowledged to be "high-risk" - but the murderer is still a murderer, and the killing of that woman is still a murder. The same is surely true of rape.

In fact, it would be true of any crime. If you were to mug a prostitute, it would be a mugging. If you were to defraud one, it would be fraud. Why make a special exception for rape? It doesn't make sense.
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I'm glad someone agrees with me on this.



Dear Mom, I put a couple of people in Hell today...

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Reading some of the later posts about whether Sera was raped or whether it is an occupational hazard, I'll say this; Sera was raped and beaten by 3 lowlife cowardly college boys that should have spent time in jail, possibly where they would become more aquainted with the crime of rape than they ever planned.

Is it an occupational hazard? Probably prostitutes have a greater likelihood of getting raped than the general population, but it's still a crime when it happens.
Now, as for how seriously it is taken by law enforcement if the hooker reports it, I would think they may not care much because rape against a prostitute may be very difficult to prove.

Nevertheless, it is morally and legally wrong.

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Why was everyone being horrible to Sera after she was beaten and raped?

Parts of this thread have answered that excellently.

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I have a question that's been nagging me for a while:

If you rape a prostitute isn't it technically shoplifting?

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More like armed robbery. (or in this case 'armed buggery')

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The reactions from some people in this thread is innocent immaturity.

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I dont see how you can construe it as essentially stealing when you're the one leaving the deposit.

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I knew a girl who told me that while in college she worked as an escort (I'm from Florida where the sex industry thrives) because she was desperate for money. She told me that she quit after she was raped. She said that after having sex she tried to leave and the guy knocked her down and beat and raped her, similar to the movie except she said there was only one guy.

I don't think that was her fault at all.

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It doesn't make sense except in the sense that the film-makers wanted her situation to look worse. This was a major problem with the movie.



Dear Mom, I put a couple of people in Hell today...

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lol @ the guy who doesn't think that was rape, what a mong.

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I'm not trying to condone rape, or say "she had it coming," but I seem to recall that there was some dialogue that one of the guys wanted to do her anally, and and she said something to the effect of "you can do THAT to your friend." It's been a while since i've seen the movie, so i may not be remembering it correctly. Again, not saying that she had it coming, but when a woman is alone in a motel room with three good-sized college guys, it's simply not smart to insinuate that one of them would be willing to participate in a homosexual act. That pushes some buttons. In the context of the scene, they probably would have raped her anyway.




"My girlfriend sucked 37 d*cks!"
"In a row?"

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How did they even KNOW that she was raped?

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I thought it was way overboard. I'm sure there isn't a lot of sympathy for a escort that got raped but I doubt a random taxi driver would start making jokes to a distressed woman that had just been raped. Sure, he might ask if she could pay for the cab but the butt rape jokes seemed far too out of place.

I'm also not entirely sure why she was kicked out of her home or how legal it was. For instance my landlord couldn't just tell me to leave at the end of the week simply because I had been raped or because I was working as a prostitute. Considering prostitution is legal in Nevada (I think) and she possibly had a lease that seems unlikely especially since the landlord was probably already aware of the fact that she was a whore.

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Did she explicitly tell everyone, or were there actual witnesses to her ordeal?

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True, the taxi driver was a hardened person, however, joking about her getting "unexpected backdoor deliveries" was a bit much- but this is a movie so it was done for dramatic effect.
To make it clear for the audience that anal was what happened and not just rough sex.

I doubt her landlords knew that she was a prostitute, they may have suspected and speculated.
Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas; there are two or three counties in the state where it is legal.
So, they maybe could have her move if they thought that she may be using her residence for illegal (prostitution) activities.

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Beaten up hooker seems kind of low class. If a bum got into your taxi you would think maybe he/she can't pay, you would feel same way with beaten up girl. She got thrown out because lot of things, maybe they suspected that she is prostitute before but high class call girl would be ok, having a beaten up around is like you are asking for trouble. Maybe she got thrown out of the casino because she was a prostitute but most likely it was because she seemed low class. Before they had tolerated prostitutes and surely they knew their profession. Thats how quickly peoples perception of you changes, sometimes she was making thousands of dollars in a night but all that could be gone in snap of a finger. She seemed better than Ben but really wasn't.

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