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Did Gary Busey deserve an oscar nod for his scar storytelling scene?


Busey was friggin outstanding in that scene.

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I think Busey deserves better then an Oscar....more like the Medal of Honor or the Nobel Prize. he was amazing in this.

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Yup...he killed the scene .

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OK, I think the Oscar suggestion is overdoing it a *tad*. . . but the Busey/Prince Henry Stout monologue is frickin' fantastic, truly engaging and chilling and the main reason why I still watch this movie when it comes on cable. And yes, there is an argument that "hey, that's just Busey, he's just playing himself, that's not acting" --but think about it: How many other movies have you seen in which Gary Busey is essentially cast as "himself" --wild-eyed, short-circuited, brimming with violence and his own peculiar brand of macho mysticism? Lots. Pretty much every role he gets these days is some variation on that guy. Do all those roles contain a moment like the Prince Henry Stout speech? No, they don't. Among classic psycho Busey moments, this one stands out. First of all, Busey doesn't usually get this kind of material to work with. He tends to get the kind of lines that he has in Soldier, which treat the Busey persona as a joke and a cardboard cutout from the first frame to the last. Secondly, Busey still has enough wits left (or he did when this film was made, anyway) to take a good speech like this and knock it flat out of the park, reminding us all that once upon a time the guy was, in fact, not such a bad actor. It still takes a certain amount of acting skill to recognize yourself in a character and to portray that version of yourself accurately and with strength and cinematic presence, not just as if it was just you kicking back and reading a story out loud or having an everyday conversation with friends. Much as I like Rutger Hauer in general (doing a passable but far less memorable job of playing himself in this film than Busey does, or even than Hauer himself does in other films), and though I admit that Ice-T and Charles S. Dutton have some enjoyable and/or respectable moments throughout, Busey, his character and particularly this speech are the reason to watch this movie. If it was the filmmakers' intention not to follow the convention normally observed with these movies in which Busey's character would probably be the last to drop out before Hauer's, I can respect their desire not to be too formulaic; but I think in this case they dropped the ball. I'm obviously not alone amongst those whose interest level in this film plummets as soon as Doc Hawkins leaves the picture; and besides, please --after the Prince Henry Stout speech and everything, how is it possible that Doc Hawkins folds so easily? Boo. . .





[H]e that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.

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I have to agree...That speech was brilliant and possibly THE best part of the movie.
Good point you bring up too, they obviously overlooked the fact that, after the speech and Doc proving himself in such a manner, why then would he then be killed off so soon?!
It hardly makes sense and probably wasn't a good move for the film as a whole...like you said, interest waned at that point.
although it picked up again soon...cool movie overall but I wish they'd gotten a better script writer!

GeaF

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Since there was no clickable link yet: http://youtube.com/watch?v=N-nVb0JaKJY

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I think it's safe to say that we're witnessing the beginning of the "crazy" Gary Busey.


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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he should have gotten at least a dozen free hot wings.



We're not soldiers and he's not the enemy. He's a pizza man.

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Too bad, they killed him off too early. I didn't buy Ice T beating him in a fight for a minute!


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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very true. i doubt an ice storm could defeat busey!



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Busey actually has had a few good "crazy psychopath" roles. This film(as short lived as his part was), Leathal Weapon, and I also liked him in Under Siege. He was crazy AND funny in Under Siege. He was also really good in Silver Bullet, but he wasn't a crazy killer in that movie. People make jokes about Busey "winning an Oscar", but people forget that Busey actually is an Oscar-nominated actor. He was nominated back in the late 70s-early 80s for his role as Buddy Holly in the the biopic of Holly. So granted, he's NEVER going to win an Oscar, and his one nomination was over 30yrs ago, but he still was nominated. I always liked Busey, I grew up with his action movies. It's unfortunate he's become too old and too crazy over the 15yrs or so, his career is dead now. Last thing I saw him in was Celebrity Rehab. Hurts to see him so low and desperate that he actually agreed to participate in Celebrity Rehab a few years ago. Oh, well.. At least we have his great bad guy performances in some awesome Action flicks from back in the day.

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the path less traveled by.

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Best line from Busey... "We're going bare hands"

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Busey's other best line in Under Siege, while wearing a wig, makeup and a dress: "Do I look like someone who needs a psychological evaluation??!!".


We got a job.
What kind?
...The Forever Kind.

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NICE ONE!


Loved Busey in this film.


Storytelling scene is epic.


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are we sure that it was just a story?

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I have, and still, tell that story as if it was my own to people I am getting to know. It is the ultimate ice-breaker. Tell them that story, straight faced, then after they react(or don't) let them know you are joking.
Its a great way to make conversation, just don't force it and try to channel Busey's character.
In my experience, if they don't appreciate it, they aren't worth being friends with. This film is relatively obscure too, so chances of them having seen it(let alone remembering that scene) are low.

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