Brutal Acting


I don't know how anyone else felt, but I just thought this movie was acted terribly. Will Smith as Paul, JJ Abrahams as Doug, the rest of the kids...to be honest I didn't think Stockard Channing was all that good. The only one who I kind of liked was Donald Sutherland, the rest was so laughable I was actually amazed this made it to theaters.

I know it's originally a play, and so it's going to have a melodramatic/overdramatic feel to it, naturally. Nonetheless it should have either never been converted to film in the first place or it should've been majorly rewritten as a fitting adaptation.

If anyone has any opinions on the horrendous acting, in my POV, please comment.

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I thought the same about Smith's performance at the outset, but once his real character is exposed and we see that he has been playing someone else up to that point, it becomes obvious that Smith was actually doing some great work for someone so early in their acting career.

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I disagree with you, for the part. I thought Will Smith was fantastic, Stockard Channing was wonderful, and Donald Sutherland was excellent. Ian McKellan, though he only appears briefly, was quite good as well. I thought the acting in general was very good. I can see how you'd have been *annoyed* by the performances, because it was the nature of the characters and their stuffy upper class white personage. I was put off by the movie at first, because I felt that the characters were horrendous. However, I got over this quickly as I realized the movie was trying to make a point. Indeed, it was trying to make multiple points all at once, and tell an interesting tale of a man who just wanted to fit in, and would stoop to near-psychopathic lengths to accomplish that goal. The children of the two main characters were pretty garishly spoiled brats, and I didn't care for their characters, however it was a realistic portrayal to say the least. You can't fault an actor for portraying a loathsome character with great aplomb. You may hate the character, but it does not make it a bad performance.

The only performance in the movie that I did not like was JJ Abrams as Doug. He was particularly over-the-top and just didn't seem realistic. He was a minor character, but his performance stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I'd give this film a 9/10 because it is a wonderful story, with great writing, and a lot of good acting. I subtract the 1 point for a multitude of minor annoyances, such as some pretty off-kilter editing that - in my opinion - had a habit of breaking the flow of the story, that one performance I have already mentioned, and for the reason that it takes a while to get into the movie due to the stuck-up nature of the characters in the beginning. For someone who does not fall into those upper class middle-aged white pretentious ranks... it tends to be a bit hard to feel at home with those characters until Paul shows up. But the movie is well worth the time spent watching it by the end.

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The characters populating this story are charactatures -- is that not the entire point of the film?! What realization does Ouisa come to at the end but that her entire life, her family's lives, are composed of anecdotes. As we all know, the main figures in an anecdote become exaggerated with repeated retellings. Her retelling of the "final chapter" (once again, life as drama) of the Paul story recalls their very real and genuine phone conversation; I believe this is the crux of her epiphany -- she realizes how fake she, her husband, her children, even Paul in their presence, has been ("and he wanted our lives, our lives," she says, seemingly amazed that anyone would truly desire anything so transparently fake and overblown). I believe the over-the-top theatrics with which these people interact throughout the movie only serves to reinforce this theme.

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i thought channing & sutherland were great, will smith was very good, but the children were horrible. the son of the doctor was awful, forget melodramatic, he was just awful. then there's the son with the pink shirt flips out on his parents about letting paul where his pink shirt. i expect some anger and disdain from children that age toward their parents but this was just done wrong.

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Everyone is complaining about the college kids acting but that is most likely how they were directed to perform. Their performance was meant to be exaggerated. If you don't get this you are most likely not the audience this film was for.
Will Smith was surprisingly excellent. I thought he was very much in the moment in his scenes and I can see why this part helped to launch his movie career.

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Since when does one answer criticisms by attacking the critics? "You are not the intended audience for this film". What a poor rebuttal. Next time someone condemns the acting of Steven Seagal, I'll just tell them they're not able to appreciate action movies! You know nothing about this person. Is it not even conceivable that he/she is an intelligent and experienced viewer who understands the premise of the film - is STILL finds fault in it?

I think no one among the critics missed that (1) The speech was rehearsed and (2) the children were satire. They (and I) just think all of it could have been communicated more artfully and subtlety. I would have caught on that the children are egocentric brats without that intense drama. I am not so dull that I need SNL-like acting to get the point - nor am I sitting in the back row of a live performance.

And I don't know whether it was Smith's lack of understanding, poor acting, or some genius in his performance that produced a speech in which emphasis was placed so poorly that I had trouble making sense of it - but I do not think that, even for the purposes of the story, it had to be so. Smith IS playing an intelligent man. Rehearsed or not, this person would have understood the content of his speech.

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You raise some interesting observations, but the continued debate about the quality of the performances of the children strikes me as baffling, and not a little tedious.

These characters are not central to the story, though they figure importantly in the plot. (By which I mean, their plights are extremely off-topic, but their interactions are central to the 'mystery' being solved.) There is no easy way to treat such characters, since a naturalistic portrayal seems like a tangent, even despite important information being shared. Anyone who's seen Munich has experienced how rambling a story can feel when too many threads are tantalizingly glimpsed, but incompletely illuminated, in the tapestry. THIS film, by contrast, seeks to follow Guare's example from the play by treating the characters as objects of gentle ridicule. This is a strategy with some charm, as it gives each of the very minor characters an opportunity to shine, briefly, and renders them memorable despite brevity. The question I guess I'd raise in defense to anyone slamming their work is: "how else are we supposed to know they're more important that Flan and Ouisa's numerous 'audiences' to whom they tell their story?" It's a way of underlining the key components of the plot. Moreover, they're intended as comic relief. "SNL-like acting" may seem like a slam to you, as it emphasizes simplicity, but it also implies humor, which I think is the point. JJ Abrams' performance never fails to crack me up, precisely because it's so over-the-top. I'll also add that anyone who thinks it's somehow easy to ramp up that much in such a short amount of time cannot possibly have ever tried it.

Having said that: Anthony Michael Hall is dreadful. He doesn't seem to understand even the plot, let alone the society he's meant to be satirizing. When his character implies the contempt he feels for his social set, he barely suggests a history with them, let alone years of pent-up rage. His on-again-off-again fey mannerisms are also distracting, and a little insulting. Some gay men are effeminate, and some are not, and some even go back and forth depending on the topic of discussion and/or the company they're in: but we don't snap in and out of it depending on whether we remember it's part of our nature.

Regarding Will Smith, I'm not sure I agree with you that Paul is necessarily smart enough to understand his speech. I completely agree that parts of it are difficult to fathom, although I feel that some of that is inherent, as the character is grappling with some difficult-to-express ideas. For me, any such unintelligibility actually makes the speech seem more, rather than less, real. But Paul is above all else, a mimic. I can recite flurries of apparently perfect French that I do not understand, because I learned it by rote. He did the same.

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The only acting that made a decent effort to give his character a natural feel, more appropriate for film, is Ian McKellan.

All the other performances are stilted; playing to people’s general misperception that the wealthy are better educated and therefore speak the language properly. Anyone who’s been around enough wealthy people knows this is an exaggeration. Many Ivy League grads, wealthy or not, can barely construct a proper sentence or spell beyond grade school level.

Many are like Sutherland’s character; who isn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and is struggling to maintain the social/business/cultural standing he’s attained. (“2 million dollars!” By far, toward the low end of the totem pole in America’s wealth class. Mere seconds away from having to give up your Park Avenue apartment.)

Smith’s character is a silly farce from start to finish. In the real New York, anyone who came sprinkling their conversation with quote after quote from historical figures might make for good momentary conversation, but they’d be found too boring too quickly to explain. It’s as if everyone in the story is continually concerned with showing how elevated above the norm they are. Maybe this worked for people just aching to be charmed by being placed within the hallowed halls of wealth, but I got news for ya… the wealthy here are like everyone else… BUSY! Only the children have time for fussing about with some name-dropping kid pretending to be Sidney Poitier’s son. They’d have looked that up two seconds after he said it. ESPECIALLY because he’s Black!!!

Wealth doesn’t always make people stupid. Most of them are sharp as tacks. This bunch is a monied version of the Keystone Kops.

Oh yes… A doorman spitting on a wealthy tenant… TWICE???… HA!
I assure you that, in New York at least, that doorman would be out of a job before phlegm passed his lips.

He could probably expectorate a lawsuit as well. lol


The young people here… plain and simple… are ridiculous. ALL OF THEM!

The best I can offer this story is that Channing’s character at least clumsily comes to realize that she, her hubby and friends are out of touch with reality but, over all, the acting and story are totally unbelievable.

This story was written for blank-minded theater-goers. People who go just to say they went.


“Your thinking is untidy, like most so-called thinking today.” (Murder, My Sweet)

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The Kandinsky!!!! lol.

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r u kidding do you know what acting is.
i was going to skip thru this but i can't you just suck.

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I too felt that Will Smith came across as stiff and robotic, and his timing/intonation was all wrong...a previous poster made a very good point that in his "Catcher in the Rye" speech, his delivery is so off that it's not even really clear what he's saying, even though it seems like it should make sense. And I don't buy the explanation that Paul was playing a character, and so his woodenness is actually an example of WIll Smith's acting chops, intentionally making Paul seem slightly uncomfortable in his role...we're supposed to be blown away, as the Kittredges are, by how convincing he is, and so it's either a poor decision on the part of the filmmakers, or a reflection of Will Smith's limited acting ability, to have the character come across so stilted.

In general, I tend to agree that the performances were mostly bad, save Donald Sutherland and Stockard Channing at certain points. I understand they are members of an elite society, but come on--NO ONE talks like that, except in plays and 18th century British period movies. They really should have rewritten the script for the film.

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I saw this play in New York when it first came out, and it was just great.

While I will always believe that movies pale in comparison to their theatrical outings, I did enjoy this movie.

As for the critiques of Stockard Channing not being that great though?
Nah, she only got a Tony nomination for playing the same role on Broadway.

The kids?
I'm not sure how exaggerated they really were in their behavior really. They are typical of overly spoiled, privileged, whiny kids. A product of their upbringing. Coincidentally I witnessed a couple from the USA at the Buenos Aires airport last summer whose kids were acting just like these kids in the movie. They were acting so nutty they were drawing the attention of the others in the airport. Embarrassing really.

As for the pretentious nature of the movie? Of course it is. They're an upper crust, Upper East side family. They're not unlike the pretentious, "progressive" New Yorkers in a Woody Allen movie. It's purposeful.

IMO, a great movie.

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"Will Smith refused to actually kiss Anthony Michael Hall just before their kissing scene so a camera trick was used showing only the back of their heads. In an interview, Smith stated that Denzel Washington advised him not to kiss a man on-screen for it would harm his career. Smith stated that he regretted not going through with it saying "It was very immature on my part."

This is really all that should be said about Will Smith and his performance. By his own admission he was immature and unsure of himself, i.e. he did not take the playing the role serious enough; he was too careful, and not fully embracing of the character.

It should also be noted that he campaigned really hard for the part because, in Hollywood, playing a gay character can "make" your career. Think about it, he is coming off the success of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, and has only one movie under his belt: Made in America. He had to get his name out there and show that he wasn't just a one-trick pony from television. Denzel's advice show just how "green" he really was.

His overacting and general poor performance was the result of having little experience playing a major role in a film. He didn't "understand" his gay character, and couldn't embrace the lifestyle and performance it demanded. Trying to excuse his horrible acting as some sort of genius/doing it on purpose is laughable at best and naive at worst.

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Great acting in my view!

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Brilliant acting.

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I think some people, for some reason WANT this film to be better than it is and I agree that even Stockard Channing has been much much better many times. This was the only film role I've ever seen Donald Sutherland play where he seemed to have no connection to his character or anything interesting to add; Flan is a cut out and not an engaging character. The kid acting was simply pathetic. Actually the ensemble acting is bad all around and that couldn't be hidden by stylistic jumping around and flashbacks. This is a wannabe art film. I don't mind pretense at all, but do it well.

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I loved Donald Sutherland's "disconnection" - That's Flan, right? Disconnected and look at his face as he listens to the dissertation of Will Smith about Catcher On The Rye - It is a fabulous moment. Beauty and art are in the eye of the beholder, clearly.

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