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Was Nick such an innocent victim?


I was re-watching this movie after a few years.

I am NOT excusing anything Darian did in this film. However, I feel that Nick led on her a bit, which provoked an existing mental illness that dealt with rejection issues.

1) He took her to the lighthouse and was not firm enough when they kissed.
2) He kept saying things like, "If only you were older..."
3) He claimed they'd always be friends, then turned around and rejected her. In Darian's eyes, Amy stole Nick from her.

I think if Nick had taken a firmer line from the beginning, some of this could've been avoided. He had no business thinking for a second it was cute. In my opinion, they're both pretty sick.

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I disagree that Nick led Darian or Adrienne on, but I think there are things that could have done to avoid trouble.

1. Nick was firm. He stopped right after the kiss and said let's go home. I would not have left a party with the 14 year old daughter of the host of the party and who had just performed a piece on the piano. She initiated the kiss. He cut it off and headed back within a minute. No hesitation, no ambiguous signals such as I want to but we can't. He did right.

2. What is wrong with "if you were only older?" This is a firm enough NO. He is not going to say something to a 14 year old to damage her delicate adolescent self image that was already unsteady from her peers. He is not going to talk to her and reject her firmly and clearly as if she were a adult woman.

You are a minor and you're not old enough. If you were older, maybe but you're not. It'd be a different story but it's not. No. That is good enough. He gave her an objective and legitimate reason, her age. It could have been far worse if he said anything subjective like their personality clash or anything that could further damage her self-esteem.

3. He is right. They will always be friends and friends only that's why he has to reject her. How can you be friends and then be involved with Adrienne in a relationship? In that case they would not be friends, they would be lovers. It was right to reject her and at the same time say if you need me as a friend, I'd be glad to be your friend and help you.

It's just a movie, but I would not have gone into the main house, but the pretense of returning a book to Adrienne sufficed. I would have gone to the parents much earlier. The worse would be having to move which is nothing compared to later escalations. Nick did say something to Adrienne while she was on the swing. I don't remember exactly what he said, but if I had to say Nick led Darian on, it would be there in the backyard where he mumbled something that could betaken as a confession of love.

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You are right. Nick only said "if you were older.." once, and then regretted it as soon as he said it. He should have also blocked the kiss if possible, and if not, pulled away immediately and told her how wrong it was.

However, concerning the thing in the closet, and how he should have "closed his eyes," that is absurd. Have any of you ever seen the movie Under Suspicion with Gene Hackman playing an innocent guy being accused of raping and murdering underage women. Despite his character being innocent, he did go on to call out the detectives (Morgan Freeman) BS about there being something wrong with liking to look at younger people (female and male).

He basically went on to say to the detective (who happens to be a very old friend, by the way, so he knows about the detective who is interrogating him) something like "You're in your 50s, but when you go to the bar to score, you walk out of there with the youngest girl that you can get to leave with you." He said "That is why all of your dates are in their 30s despite you being in their 50s..and if you can get a girl in there 20s, well hey hey, even better. And what about teenage girls? We loved them then, why would now make any difference? Youth is beautiful. Young women look how a beautiful woman should look. Smooth and soft skin but firm...etc."

And after he said it, you could tell Morgan Freeman's character (the detective) knew he was right. Men do like to look at younger women. 16 is the age of legal consent in the UK and quite a few states in America. After that, its 18. And lets be frank, Alicia Silverstone was not 14 when she played that character, and Nick asked her "Are you sure your 14?," to which she replied "Almost 15." He said this because she looked older than 14 (and her character was much older than 14, so there is no debate about that). So, seriously, when you factor all of that in, do you really still think his character was completely out of line or different from any other man when he didn't close his eyes?

Some of you women are scaring me. You want to be able to have the right to dress like sluts, yet you get upset if someone looks at the breasts you purposely tried to make look bigger. You want to be able to wear short short skirts yet you get upset if someone looks at the legs you are purposely showing off. You want to be able to have the freedom of having sex with whom you want at 16 or 18, but if a man looks at a 16 or 18 year old sexually, they can be written off as a sleaze bag.

Why is it that when an older man is with a younger woman, its just the old man who has issues. Why isn't the younger woman, who, unless she is mentally handicapped, understands the difference between the two peoples' ages just as guilty as the man?

I will tell you why. Because women seem to want more double standards than they already have. They don't want to be treated like they are physically weaker than men, but if a woman starts a physical fight with a man and loses, she acts as if the man did something wrong by defending himself and by just being naturally stronger. Women want to be able to decide for themselves whether they have a baby or not, despite the fact that if they do have the baby, regardless of what the father's desires are, he has to pay her child support. And now women seem to want to be sexually promiscuous and flirtatious, however, they do not want to be treated as if they are sexually promiscuous and they want to be able to be outraged if a man randomly flirts with them. They want men to open doors for them and pay the check when they go out to eat. They want guys to help them when it pertains to carrying heavy things, yet they don't want to have to give up any rights despite all the special treatment they seem to want.

Double Standards, double standards, double standards.

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I agree with everything you said.

What was Nick supposed to say, really? I would give a crummy answer like, "you're too young" as well. Come on, its ALWAYS flattering when someone likes you - it doesn't matter if your admirer is completely unattractive! Its still flattering and if you are polite, you certainly wouldn't tell them, "Well, if only you were skinny..." or "if only you were prettier..."

Saying "you're too young" to an otherwise "acceptable" admirer is pretty much all you can go on while still remaining polite. Age is something you can't change - its not her "fault." What better way to reject someone while still ensuring they keep their self-esteem?

And talk about double-standards! Every time something like this happens in real life an the adult DOES take advantage of the youth's advances...everyone says, "You should have told them NO because they're too young!"

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AMSmith,  I couldn't have said it better! (BTW I am female and admit there is a HUGE double standard when it comes to this (and other situations as well).

The beauty is I'm learning how to face my beast ~ Blue October

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What's your definition of a younger woman?



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thats moronic. are you complaining that he didn't treat her like crap from the sart? the worst thing you could say about him is that he was sort of nice and tried to let her down easy... thats hardly "provoking" anything and he obviously did not want anything from her, he would have had the chance a million times...

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Nick is not that innocent. He did things and allowed things to happen that were very inappropriate, especially with a 14(?) year old. Doesn't matter how "mature", attractive, "charming", etc. she may seem, SHE IS 14. Any guy with a lick of sense would have stayed away from her, or at the very least not allow and participate in such inappropriate behavior (taking her off to the lighthouse in his car, etc.). He should have been very firm with any advances she was making, it would seem like he wouldn't allow it to go TOO far (sex), but he was toying with a dangerous situation, kind of letting things go just to a certain point with their flirtation, but he did allow the kiss to happen, and that way way out of line for it to have even gotten to that point. Then he was in too deep before he realized it and got himself into trouble. A smarter guy would have stuck to WOMEN his own age. This is what happens when you let your belt buckle cut of circulation to your real brain...

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To answer OP's question, the Elwes character's 'victim' status is so endlessly trumped by his idiotic behavior in literally every single scene that the story loses all hope of credibility.

For decades, stand up comedians have pocketed millions regurgitating the notion that men are stupid and women are crazy. This film is simply that punchline incarnate to absurdist degrees. It's also an obvious attempt to hybridize Lolita and Fatal Attraction, although the last shot was pilfered from Psycho.

Silverstone is of course stupid gorgeous per usual, but beyond that, this film is unwatchably bad.

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I wouldn't use the term "innocent", but I think he was. Adrian was very sweet towards him, not to mention she looked and acted way older than 14! She got him a promotion for rewriting his paper, which is very impressive. He wasn't forceful enough with the kiss, no, but if you'll remember, she was confiding into him about how everyone thought she was a freak and she had no friends except for Cheyenne, who was only her friend because their mothers were good friends. He did stop her, however. And he went into her house to look around for his picture and other clues...that's why he hid in the closet. A man is a man; I'm sure that if he knew she was watching him through the closet (which she was) that he would've looked away. He's a gentleman. But heck, I'm a straight lady and I would've even looked. It's human nature. Once she started being psychotic and Cheyenne started to try to give info on Adrian to Nick, he stepped back and told her it couldn't go anywhere and nothing else happened in the movie to where he led her on. Remember the scene where she was on the swing and he told her off?? This isn't Lolita, people (although she would make a PERFECT Lolita in 1993).

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This is a great thread & some very interesting "theories".

My turn :-)

I think Nick was unbelieably naive & not a little bit stupid, too.

I don't know ANY male who, while attending an adult party, would disappear in his car with the hosts 14-yr-old daughter for a drive. Naive & stupid.

The "hiding in the closet" bit was avoidable, as he had enough time to disappear out of the way & leave the house. Ok, he was in a bit of a panic to try & get out of the way, but in my opinion, he should have got the hell out of her room.

I watched this film when it first came out on VHS, and again today & was just thinking "oh dear, you idiot" all the way through.

The "older male" and "younger female" thing is a worldwide thing - Thailand & the Philippines come to mind, although if you are caught with an underage (18 usually) girl out there, it is deservedly serious trouble for you!

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I don't think he provoked it in anyway but however them kissing and somewhat flirting with her could easily make her think there will be something more. He is somewhat to blame for what happened. It's kind of like when my next door neighbor who was 27 at the time, used to flirt with the 16 year old boy who lived across the street from her just to get him to do things for her like wash her car, cut her grass, move her furniture, etc and she used to always say how cute he was and parade around in low cut shirts and short shorts. And used to even brag to me about how she had him wrapped around her little finger. Then one day he tried to kiss her and she got all offended and acted like she didn't know what was going on when she led him up to that point.

What I'm saying is Nick led her to believe that there would be something more to it. A 14 year old especially one that's kind of lonely like Adrian, doesn't know any better when it comes to things like that.

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Forget Nick- The true innocent victim in this movie was that poor 1964 Plymouth Valiant convertible.

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Yeah, but she also didn't leave him alone at first either - like, coming to his room late at night, sunbathing in front of his window, and so on.

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