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Terrorists know when our satellites pass over?


This is my fav Clancy film & i've enjoyed watching it since it came out in 1992.

I've always wondered though about that part where the IRA is training outside while in Libya & than they all of a sudden stop & look at their watches & all run inside the tents. Ryan also talks to his counterparts at the CIA about the training camps in Libya & why they can't find the IRA there. He says something like "Well they (the terrorists) probably know alot better than we do the exact time our satellites fly over." He than tells Marty that the CIA will need to retask the satellites if we ever wanna see them.

My question is...How exactly would the terrorists know the time of day that our "birds" were passing over? My only guess is that they got info from the Soviets or some other foreign gov't. But if that wasn't the reason, how else could they know?



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That is the reason. The Soviets let the information filter out to friendly governments, who let the camps know.

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It's a foregone conclusion that ALL the world's major powers are 'leaking' satellite information to groups that are operating in the 'better interests' of those powers. That might include modern-day insurgents operating in Pakistan, Syria, Iran, and even Africa. The idea of suddenly 're-tasking' one of these satellites, and creating a fresh new database of potential national embarrassments, is unthinkable, and was unthinkable, even before the days of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange.

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That makes sense. Thanks for the info guys.

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Actually, the notion that terrorists would know the satellites' scheduling is pure Hollywood hogwash. (Others here will insist otherwise, of course.)

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Once a satellite's orbit is established it is very predictable. One needs to sight the satellite and plot its position only twice to map the orbit.

The satellites are managed by the National Reconnaissance Office, an organization whose existence was classified until (I think) the early 1990's. The satellite programs remain classified, but the existence of the NRO is now acknowledged. I am able to legally to describe theoretical satellite orbits.

They boil down to a handful of types. The geostationary orbit that is popular for communications satellites. This orbit puts the satellite at an altitude at which its linear velocity matches the rotational speed of the Earth. In such an altitude it will stay directly overhead one spot on the Earth throughout its life. A similar orbit is the geosynchronous. In this orbit the satellite follows a figure eight pattern that passes over the same spot on the Earth every 24 hours. Some satellites might be in a much lower altitude orbit, or low Earth orbit (LEO). Orbits above (I think) about 500 miles are called high Earth orbits (HEO). HEO can also stand for "highly elliptical orbit" in which the perigee is much smaller than the apogee.

Note the dialogue in the scene when Jack Ryan says "the terrorists probably know the satellites schedule better than we do." That is obvious hyperbole, but they could know the approximate times of pass over fairly easily. So, he asks for "retasking." Retasking requires the expending of fuel on board a satellite, in those satellites that are equipped with a motor and fuel. Retasking is avoided because the fuel is always limited and one never knows when a future retasking may be desired even more than the current request. But, it can be done on some satellites.

None of the foregoing is classified because it is known by anyone who has taken a college level course on Newtonian mechanics. I will not go into what is classified because it might send me to jail. It has been so long since I studied it, I probably remember it wrong, anyway.

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Odds are the Soviets knew and told the Libyans, a fellow communist country at the time. The Libyans are harboring terrorists who are anti-Western, and tell them. Hell, the KGB might've even had a few people on the ground there to either advise the Libyans or the terrorists.

Having said that, it's a wonder that the Libyans didn't warn the ULR that the SAS were coming, especially since those helicopters would've been hard to hide from radar.

Can't be too careful with all those weirdos running around.

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She has really good eyesight.

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