I guess they just either aren't mentioned are maybe died? But I always wonder were John and Michael are in this film. They were so important in Peter Pan.
Also, not that it was necessary, but I would have enjoyed seeing the Indians especially Tiger Lily in Hook.
My best guess is that they moved on in their lives, and are living elsewhere in London. Since both John and Michael were younger than Wendy I think we can safely assume that they haven't died yet. Since they don't play too big a part in "Hook" (besides a carving on Hangman's Tree that helps trigger Peter's memory), I guess the screenwriters felt that they didn't need to go too much into what happened with John and Michael (although I agree it would have been nice to find out).
As for the Indians, I agree that they should have played some part in the final battle against Hook and the pirates. As many times as the Lost Boys are terrorized and captured by the pirates, the Indians deserve a bit of comeuppance as well. I suppose they didn't include them to avoid the "racial stereotypes" that come from J.M. Barrie's portrayal of them (although its a shame because they are included in every other version of the story).
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Wendy being older doesn't necessarily mean that John and Michael would still be alive. In real life, one of my paternal aunts died in 2010, but her older sister is still alive. Or a more famous example, Laura Ingalls Wilder, the author, outlived her one older sister and her two younger sisters--she lived to be 90, but her sisters died in their 60's and 70's (old for the time period in which they lived.)
Wendy was 92 years old. John and Michael would have been in their mid-to-late 80's, if they were still alive at all--and odds are they likely weren't at that point.
Depending on exactly when Peter Pan met Wendy the first time, John and/or Michael could have been killed in World War One and/or World War Two. For example, J.R.R. Tolkien was the only member of his group of four close friends to survive World War I.
One of my great grandfathers had 8 children at about the time that the Darling children should have been born. Four of them died by the age of 10. The other four all lived to be over 80.
My four grandparents were all reportedly born within a period of five years. One of my grandfathers died 14 years before his widow, the other about 64 years before his widow.
A relative of mine lived for 80 years after being commissioned an army officer, despite serving in both World War I and World War II.
My father was 2 year younger than my mother but died 15 years before her.
My youngest sibling is the only one to die so far.
There is no force of nature making all people died at the same age, and so sometimes people die in a different order than their birth order. Thus there seems to be no proof that John and/or Michael must havve been alive or must have been dead during Hook.
While still at Granny Wendy's home, there's a visual nod to John. A top hat and a pair of glasses show up in the foreground of one of the shots.
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Also I just noticed (I'm watching the movie again as I write this) you can see Micheal's Bear, tattered and worn as it may be, next to those (or somewhere around that same scene). I noticed it when toodles was waking up or something.
(To address someone else's post): Just because Wendy is older than them doesn't mean they didn't die. They could have passed away long before her. Life doesn't always work so linearly even in families I'm afraid XD
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I came up with this theory that John died honorably while fighting in WWI, leaving behind a wife and 2 daughters. Michael also fought in WW1 but survived. However, the war changed him greatly...he suffered from post traumatic stress disorder and drank heavily to combat this. One night in the late 40s, after another drunken night at the strip joint, he got into a fatal car accident. He went through 2 short lived marriages but never had any children.
I realize this is tragic but can't you totally see it happening?
I like it! :D I would have believed and accepted it if they had put that in the movie!
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According to the book Peter Pan Michael grew up to become and engine driver while John became a man of business. They both forget Neverland entirely, as do the original Lost Boys who were adopted by the Darlings. The saddest single line I've ever read in a book is, "The bearded man who knows no story to tell his children was once John." Wendy is the only who to retain any memory of their adventures and even hers are foggy at times.
I assume that by the events of Hook all of the brothers (both natural and adopted) had passed away, except for Toodles.
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I always assumed they were dead. Granny Wendy is in her 90s, and her brothers would be in their 80s if they were alive. Also, the book described John growing up as a businessman who "couldn't even think of stories to tell his children" and Michael as an equally boring and normal person. So I don't think they'd have added much.
sharePeter Pan was a character in a book J.M. Barrie wrote in 1902. How many people who were children old enough to talk in 1902 would still be alive in 1991?
sharei do like the idea of john and michael growing up and fighting in the war with one of them dying. it seems quite an end to a short life that so quickly forgot neverland. much like the state of childhood that doesn't last long
shareOne of the real brothers, on whom the story is based on, actually died in the first World War and another died shortly after the war was finished by drowning and the original Peter killed himself in 1960. It's all so tragic that one would rather it was made up.
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The movie doesn't mention them at all when they are going over how Wendy and Peter eventually stopped returning to Neverland, which leads me to believe that they stopped going long before Wendy did. The only direct mention in the movie appears to be referring to the time period the original stories take place in. I think they "grew" out of Neverland relatively shortly after those original adventures, but despite being older Wendy's love of Peter kept her going until she wasn't physically able.
I don't think the difference in their age would have affected things at all. I believe by being a woman she had a few extra years on average anyway. If she continued going to Neverland until she was in what appeared to be her late 50s, and John and Michael stopped before they even turned 20, it's reasonable to assume that just the sheer amount of time spent there alone might at least even out there ages. I also think it's possible that Wendy actually took off a few years when her imagination was still plentiful, as I don't believe the anti-aging to be as simple as it is sometimes presented, and rather a side affect of a world that boosts all imagination to levels capable of affecting reality. The affects of this anti-aging and the forgetfulness of Neverland seem to be linked, so the fact that she never actually forgets Neverland after leaving for 20 years suggests she may have always had a connection even while absent, and this might have prolonged the magic even further.
I think ultimately though, they just weren't relevant to the story being told. I don't know what if any major scenes were deleted from this film or never even filmed, but I'd guess the likelihood of finding a scene referencing the fate of Wendy's daughter would be higher than a scene detailing John and Michael. I think Wendy's daughter has a lot of indirect influence on the movie, but I don't think J and M have much to do with the story beyond their part in the originals.
I am rather surprised that John and Michael didn't appear as older versions like Wendy did.
shareJohn I'm not sure. But Michael went to fight in the wars.
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