Putin
Is it sheer coincidence that the political officer killed by Ramius is named Putin?
shareYes, this movie was made before Putin came to power(1990 vs. 2000).
shareIt's not when the movie came out that's relevant; it's when the book was written, i.e., somewhat before 1983. The question is whether the author, Tom Clancy, had any reason to know of Putin as a KGB agent and named his fictional KGB man after the real Putin. I doubt it, but that's the question.
shareYou ever stop to think that Putin may be a rather common name for Russians?
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My understanding is that it is not a common Russian name. But I am not familiar with Russian names, so perhaps someone who is can weigh in.
shareBut I am not familiar with Russian names,
That is my point exactly.
Just because no other Russian with that name has been famous enough to imprint upon the memories of us English speakers means jack sh!t.
Only a handful of last names famous enough to be written about makes it's way into our consciousness. We are much more familiar with first names such as his Vladimir. Or Ivan, or any of a number of others.
Just because we are not familiar with it does not make it uncommon.
I'm not saying Putin is a very common Russian name, just that it is not uncommon.
Vy ponimaete?
Nyet?
Didn't think so.
Besides, you answered your own question when you added to the strength of the argument against your suggestion. but then you added a level of conspiracy nutcase-ism to it when you wonder if Clancy may have been familiar with some KGB agent.
Let me be more blunt so you "get it".
NO!
there is no connection whatsoever to the Zampolit, "Putin" of the Movie/Novel,"Hunt for Red October"
and "Vladimir Putin" of real life Russian politics.
Clear enough?
There is a lot you just are not getting.
You called the Novel/Movie Putin... his "Fictional KGB man"
You don't even get that the Zampolits were not KGB.
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I am not being a captain obvious when I am having to spell it out for the idiot asking.
A captain obvious is someone interjecting themselves into a conversation to announce information no one else is questioning and is already aware of.
Since the person created this thread and asked questions and still did not get it when explained by multiple people. someone had to "spell it out" for them.
Of course it's obvious to the rest of us, but my statements was not directed at the rest of us but to the one who doesn't get it.
So fark off.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
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WTF are you even talking about?
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
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WOW.. you must be some serious stalker dude.
It's been a long time ago that in a thread discussing the ASVAB, when someone had a question about the ASVAB and the scoring I mentioned that my score was an 88.
I am not continuously bragging about it.
But for you to remember that and try using it against me years later (Yes... it's been that long ago....)
Seriously... *beep* off.
Also... your wording echoes exactly the same arguments and insults that another troll I have on ignore always used... so goodbye sockpuppet.
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It's actually a pretty rare last name for a Russian. Being one myself for the last 31 years, i've never met a person with such a last name before the Putin came to power in '99.
So yeah, it does look like a creepy coincidence, for i wish i'd never heard that name at all.
I was also going to answer that the novel was written long before Putin came to power. I did a quick read on Wiki to see when he was elected as President. It was very late and I didn't want to investigate it further. Yes, Putin was in the KGB during the time the novel was written, but I doubt Clancy had clearance or investigative resources to know about the REAL Putin. Also, if there was any inkling that the KGB thought Clancy knew about the real Putin, and was writing about him specifically, they may have killed him. It certainly wasn't a Salmon Rushdie scenario, but ya never know. I think it's totally coincidental, and like CGSailor said, it may have been a common enough name for Clancy just to pull it out of a Russian phone book. Fact can be stranger than fiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin
When i watch this movie I like to pretend their relatives in some way.
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I highly doubt Tom Clancy would have that kind sources after all he is a civilian even back then he was just starting to get notice for his books.
Clancy was just starting to get noticed for his books when he wrote Hunt For Red October?
WOW!
Quite an accomplishment to get noticed for your books while you are still writing your VERY FIRST book.
Quite the accomplishment indeed!
When writing Red October, Clancy was nothing more than an insurance salesman. All of his technical insight came from a set of wargame rules for a game called "Harpoon Modern Naval Warfare", and through correspondence with the game's creator (Larry Bond) as a sort of writer's "technical adviser".
So no... absolutely not, Clancy did not have the intel to know who Putin was back then.
Again... He probably just looked up some Russian names and picked one.
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I think it's totally coincidental...Probably just used the Big Book of Russian Surnames and whoa...there it was. share