Despite the Cobra Kai dojo winning the All-Valley, Daniel should have felt vindicated since they won using Miyagi-Do karate. It proves, you just can't reason with this guy. He was a terrible sport in that he did not grab the microphone congratulate the winners. Cobra Kai fought with honor without any major fouls, and won the right way. If Miyagi himself was a neutral observer he'd have to hand it to Cobra Kai, and would probably be displeased by Daniel's lack of sportsmanship.
So Tory didn't elbow Sam in the eye?
Guess you missed that part. Of course the referee was a factor you idiot. Otherwise Silver wouldn't have paid him off.
Regardless of that, the referee didn't penalise Tory for it (it was reckless and uncontrolled) . Ergo, the referee WAS a factor. There was also the point that Sam scored BEFORE Tory left the mat which the referee didn't score. Furthermore Tory now knows Cobra Kais win is tainted as she over heard Silver with the referee.
What was wrong with Terry Silver paying the ref? You think the refs work for free?? NOTHINGS FREE! Proves you have no understanding of the economics behind karate tournaments.
He does it in secrecy which itself shows it isn't above board. Also let's not forget that down the years you have accused Miyagi of (ahem) buying the ref without any proof, yet all of a sudden now that we have proof this is exactly what Silver has done, it is OK?
You’re such a fucking hypocrite. You claim that in KK3 it doesn’t matter that Daniel ran out of the ring so often to be dq’ed because Barnes should have been dq’ed “first” but ignore that Miyagi and Daniel should have been dq’ed FIRST before any tournament fighting took place in KK1 for stealing a belt!
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
That's all you have done. Everything you are asking has been answered and yet you keep asking ad infinitum simply because you can't accept the truth. Einstein once said 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results'. That is definitely you.
But Daniel didn't know that Silver paid off the ref when he vowed to not honor their agreement. As far as he knows Tory won clean.
It would be like if you were driving your car drunk and caused an accident that killed another driver, but it was discovered later that the guy you killed was a serial killer.
No. Tory won because the referee didn't score Sams legitimate point and didn't penalise Tory for the elbow to the eye (doesn't matter whether or not it was on purpose, it is still a foul).
Furthermore, at this moment we the audience don't know whether or not Daniel himself will be teaching so it is a bit premature to say he won't honour the bet.
Tory won because the referee didn't score Sams legitimate point and didn't penalise Tory for the elbow to the eye (doesn't matter whether or not it was on purpose, it is still a foul)
To PENALIZE someone for illegal contact is at the referee's discretion. As far as Daniel knows the ref decided on his own that the contact was incidental and not worthy of a penalty. Likewise in the 84 final, Johnny very deliberately dropped an elbow on Daniel's bad knee and was not penalized.
Also on the point that wasn't counted, it was a split second judgement call. Unless someone was recording the final, we don't know if Sam was actually out of bounds. And we also don't know if Daniel has seen the tape yet. When he does see it, and if the point should have counted, as far as Daniel knows the ref just blew the call on human error.
Furthermore, at this moment we the audience don't know whether or not Daniel himself will be teaching so it is a bit premature to say he won't honour the bet.
He said it at Myagi's grave that he wasn't going to honor the agreement.
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To PENALIZE someone for illegal contact is at the referee's discretion.
Wrong. The rules are the rules.
As far as Daniel knows the ref decided on his own that the contact was incidental and not worthy of a penalty.
Irrelevant whether he thought it was accidental or not, it is a foul and should be dealt with according to the rules. In this case it is illegal facial contact.
Likewise in the 84 final, Johnny very deliberately dropped an elbow on Daniel's bad knee and was not penalized.
Which has more to do with the referee not doing his job than his discretion.
Also on the point that wasn't counted, it was a split second judgement call. Unless someone was recording the final, we don't know if Sam was actually out of bounds.
The ref was in a better position than anyone to see this. We didn't know at that time why he made the call he did but we find out later why he did what he did.
He said it at Myagi's grave that he wasn't going to honor the agreement.
Because he's decided Terry/Cobra Kai didn't win cleanly based on the referees handling of the match. Maybe that's pure conjecture on his part but guess what...he's right isn't he?
Go to explanation 1. It is COMPLETELY at the referee's discretion how to handle the situation. Either he gives a warning, a penalty point, or disqualifies. Obviously, it didn't merit a DQ. So whether it's a penalty point or not is the refs call. Of course we know why he made his choice, BUT DANIEL DIDN'T.
You seem to be having a hard time understanding his one basic concept: DANIEL DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE REF WAS PAID OFF. Right now he is just another parent blaming a referee or an umpire for their kids failures. So every decision he is making isn't because they were cheated, it's just him not honoring an agreement.
Go to explanation 1. It is COMPLETELY at the referee's discretion how to handle the situation. Either he gives a warning, a penalty point, or disqualifies. Obviously, it didn't merit a DQ. So whether it's a penalty point or not is the refs call. Of course we know why he made his choice, BUT DANIEL DIDN'T.
NO IT IS NOT AT THE REFEREES DISCRETION AT ALL. IT IS ACCEPTED THAT CONTACT HAS BEEN MADE, THERE IS NO REFUTING THAT. NOW THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, THE REFEREE HAS TO FOLLOW THE RULES. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO DECIDE FOR HIMSELF HERE AS THE RULES ARE CLEAR, CONTACT HAS BEEN MADE ACCIDENTAL OR NOT. THE REFEREE IS THERE TO IMPLEMENT THE RULES NOT DECIDE FOR HIMSELF WHETHER TO OR NOT. FURTHERMORE YOUR SAD ATTEMPT TO SHOW THE RULES AND QUOTE EXPLANATION FALLS FLAT FOR ONE SPECIFIC REASON....IT IN NO INSTANCE SAYS IT IS THE REFEREES DISCRETION TO CHOOSE TO AWARD A PENALTY OR NOT. IT IN FACT STATES THE LEVEL OF PENALTY HE CAN IMPOSE. CARE TO CHECK FURTHER DOWN THE LIST UNTIL YOU REACH (V) AND (VI) AND THE OFFENCE WE ARE DISCUSSING COMES UNDER THESE CATEGORIES, IN PARTICULAR (VI) WHERE AN OPPONENTS CHANCES OF WINNING ARE SLIGHTLY DIMINISHED, WHICH COMES WITH A PENALTY OF KEIKOKU. THAT PENALTY IS A POINT TO THE AFFECTED PARTY OR A POINT DEDUCTION TO THE OFFENDING PARTY.
DON'T QUOTE SOMETHING YOU THINK PROVES YOUR POINT WHEN IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T!
You seem to be having a hard time understanding his one basic concept: DANIEL DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE REF WAS PAID OFF.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER UNDERSTANDING THAT. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE A HARD TIME ACCEPTING THAT THE REFEREE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE NOT TO PUNISH TORY WHEN THE RULES ARE CLEAR. AS FAR AS DANIELS POSITION IS CONCERNED, WHETHER OR NOT HE KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REFEREE OR NOT, HE KNOWS THE REFEREE DIDN'T DO HIS JOB RIGHT. EITHER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT THOUGH, WHETHER DANIEL KNOWS IT FOR SURE OR NOT, SILVER DID CHEAT SO WHY SHOULD THE VIEWING AUDIENCE HOLD IT AGAINST DANIEL?
V. CHOKOKU is normally imposed for the first instance of an offence that has not reduced a competitor’s chances of winning by the opponent’s foul.
VI. KEIKOKU is normally imposed where the contestant's potential for winning is slightly diminished (in the opinion of the Judges) by the opponent's foul.
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the quality of behaving or speaking in such a way as to avoid causing offense or revealing private information.
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It is the judge's (referee) decision as to whether Sam's ability to win was slightly diminished or not. You could make a case for either way, but the audience found out later the real reason he made the decision he did.
So the Referee was the one who had to decide, or in other words IT WAS AT HIS DISCRETION. Just because they didn't use that exact word doesn't change the meaning. I'll send you a thesaurus.
The indisputable fact is that she was hit in the eye and that has reduced her chances of winning (slightly) and that isn't up for opinion or discretion. Also the other indisputable fact is that it was an uncontrolled technique which automatically puts it in the keikoku territory. This is also not down to anyones discretion. He has no choice other than to follow the rules here. The only thing down to his discretion is the severity of penalty, the minimum in this case already being keikoku (point awarded against offender or for offended).
VI. KEIKOKU is normally imposed where the contestant's potential for winning is slightly diminished (in the opinion of the Judges) by the opponent's foul.
Note the word JUDGES (plural) not JUDGES' (singular). It refers to the referee, mirror judge and arbitrator, or the referee and two flag judges. This tells you that one persons discretion on the matter is not enough. The referee can only make a decision like this alone by following the rules (ie) in this case awarding keikoku. In other words IT WAS NOT AT HIS DISCRETION. He made a decision that, whether you like it or not, went against the rules.
No need for a thesaurus, but you need to stop picking out the parts you think proves your point. THEY DON'T!