Is this appropiate for a 10 year old?


Or should me and my wife wait until he's out at one of his friends one night before renting it. Thanks!

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This is a true story, and not me being a troll:

I was in my AP Calculus class in high school when I was 17, and there was this one precocious little math genius who was in 8th grade and came over from another school to be in our class. So she was like 13 or something. Anyway, I mention "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover" and she says, "Oh, my Dad has that movie."

And I, getting all excited, say, "Have you watched it?"

She says, "No."

And I say, "Ask him to let you watch it!! Right now!"

Question: Was that naughty of me? She was only 13, after all. But it's such a great film!

"Introduce a little anarchy." ~The Joker
"We Fascists are the only true anarchists." ~The Duke

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No way !.I saw this for the first time last night.Some scenes scared me,and i'm in my twenties !

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This is no way a film for a child that young! I was 22 when I first saw it and i still feel sick when I watch it now! It is a very violent film and will psychologically scar you child for life if he watches it at 10 years old!

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This piece of "artistic" garbage is WAY too strong for any 10 year old. It has nudity (male and female), sex, swearing, torture, humiliation, bloody killings, cannabilism...that should tell you everything u need to know. It's NC-17 rated too and I agree with that rating completely.

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"It has nudity (male and female), sex, swearing, torture, humiliation, bloody killings, cannabilism"

Many mainstream films contain these elements, and with a cheaper objective in mind.

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Oh I see! It's "artistic" here so it's OK. Wrong. It's more gratuitous here and VERY explicit. Greenaway is ou to shock his audience and any message he has is lost in his excesses.

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Good point but the movie is too cold, too cruel and FAR too sick. The director is wallowing in his excesses and any message is just lost. The 1975 film "Salo" had the same problem. You CAN get a message across without thoroughly disgusting the audience. Also ALL the kind people in the movie are either killed or mutilated in some way. What's the point of all that?

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I have no complaints about the acting--Mirren especially was exceptional. You make good points about when the film was made...but it's too much for me. Yes--the finale DOES give the villain just what he deserves but it doesn't (for me) excuse all the two hours of seeing innocent people being tortured or killed. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this. I don't deny that the film has artistic merit but it's too strong for me personally.

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I did see "The Pillow Book" and found that easier to take. It was VERY erotic and dreamlike. And thank u for respecting my opinion. Some people get so pointlessly mean if u disagree with them.

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Preppy,

For me, the film worked -- in a big way -- because of the contrast between the aesthetic beauty of the style itself, and the ugliness of what's on display. Many of Greenaway's films are emotionally cold; this one wasn't. I genuinely cared about Mirren's character and hated Gambon's. There's something to be said for the way his character pillages, bullies, and manhandles. The film is not merely an exercise in shock and transgression (like, say, Pink Flamingos—although shock is a valid form of art). It's a very visceral (again, uncharacteristic for Greenaway) attack on what he sees or saw as a particular burgeoning brand of undeserved, unsophisticated "privilege." Whether or not it truly resonates as a black satire of Thatcherism is arbitrary and, at this point, not relevant.

Furthermore, the victims of Albert's savagery earn our sympathy. They're not mere pawns that vanish from the screen never to be seen again. If you look closely, the violence and ugliness on display is not aestheticized for pleasure the way it is in most films. Perhaps that's why you found it so repellent. When characters are injured, those injuries are *felt*—in the final scene, in which all those brutalized by Albert reappear, they're bearing the scars and bandages of their wounds.

Insofar as the nudity, it may be pervasive, but this is a film for emotionally mature and intellectually curious individuals. The nudity in Peter Greenaway's films has an integrity that much onscreen nudity lacks. He is not interested in showing Beautiful Young Bodies for the purposes of titillation. He's interested in the human body, in the nude form in the classical sense. Mirren, as Georgina, seems truly vulnerable when nude, in a way that she's not in other scenes (she's guarded and desensitized around her husband). Both Georgina and Michael are achingly vulnerable when stuffed into the truck of rotting meat. The image of them huddled together in helpless horror during this ride is a moving and memorable one. This film, above all, appeals to the senses... every sense. It is elegantly structured, beautifully scored, challenging in content (although not as challenging in narrative as, say, The Draughtsman's Contract), emotionally resonant, and a sensory overload of both pleasant and unpleasant sights, sounds, flavors, and odors.

I see, in an earlier post, you condemn Pasolini's Salò. I don't like it either, but I won't argue its worth. I think it's out to do more than shock, just like TCTTHW&HL.

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I see your points but I think TCTTHWAHL and especially "Salo" go too far into proving their points. I wopn't deny that "The Cook..." IS beautiful and well done but it's just depressing and upsetting to see these likable characters being tortured or humiliated. And the point is...what? At the end the thief's wife and everybody else seems to have lowered themselves to his level by cooking the lover AND forcing the thief to eat him. I don't deny that he deserved it but it's downright revolting to watch.

"Salo" is just revolting. I GOT the point (absolute power corrupts) but Pasolini could have made his point without showing these poor kids being humilated, degraded and tortured. Pasolini made some beautiful films ("Ababian Nights" especially) but THIS????? Sadly it was his last film.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect it but I can't agree to it. Thank you though for letting me know your feelings. Maybe I'm more sensitive than you:)

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Preppy,

Understood.

Ever read any of the E.C. Comics of the 1950s (Tales From the Crypt, The Vault of Horror, The Haunt of Fear, Shock SuspenStories, Weird Science, etc.)? Reprints have been in regular circulation for the past 35 or so years. The brand of poetic justice exacted in TCTTHW&HL is similar to that which was prevalent in E.C. Comics. For me, TCTTHW&HL is high art and low art butting heads, much like the genteel Michael at one end of Georgina, and the vulgar Albert Spica on the other. The film's execution couldn't be more appropriate to its subject matter and point of view.

Two films I often like to compare (I even did a presentation in a Woman and Film class in college on the two) are I Spit On Your Grave and Irreversible. Both films feature just about the most brutal depictions of female degradation and rape you could ever hope (or hope not) to find on film. Both are also, essentially, rape-revenge films. One of these is a vile, artless, trashy, morally confused exploitation movie. The other is a thoughtful, challenging work that unfolds in reverse chronology (a la Memento), allowing the revenge to precede the rape, and the rape to precede sweet moments between the victim and her lover before their innocence is forever taken by the acts of rape and revenge that are perpetrated later in the day. In this manner, as Roger Ebert has pointed out, the revenge is not a "payoff" we eagerly anticipate. It opens the film as a stand-alone act of horrific violence. The rape victim, we learn (after we see the rape), makes some unwise choices that make her vulnerable prey. But we only learn the motivations/reasons behind the horrors we're witnessing AFTER the fact, prohibiting us from cheering on the avenger, or from rationalizing the victim's rape with "Well, she was asking for it" or "It's own her foolishness that allowed this to happen to her." This film, of course, is Irreversible, and its violence and abuse is unflinching. Does this, or any other film, *not* have a right to present such imagery? No. It's somewhat arbitrary, of course. I Spit On Your Grave has plenty of scholarly defenders, and likewise, Irreversible has countless detractors. But the film has something important to say, and consequently, I don't think that something could have been said without the explicit brutality it displays. If it were structured in linear chronology, it would probably have been merely a repulsive grindhouse-type movie, but it's not, and its point is powerfully made.

In film and any other art, anything goes, so long as it falls within legal bounds.

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I have all the EC comic reprints. I love them:) Yes they're gory and all but they're comic books--that keeps them away at a safe distance for me. In "The Cook..." the thief deserved what he got but it was next to impossible to watch.

I saw both "Irreversible" and "I Spit..." (believe it or not). "Irreversible" was just brutal. I saw it in a theatre and there was almost a total audience walkout during the rape. I admit I was crying my eyes out and seriously considered leaving but I braced myself. You're right--in that case the film had to be graphic to make its point. What horrified me even more is that the wrong man was killed for it! I'm of two minds with "I Spit..." It IS a revolting exploitation film which seems to take a kind of sick pleasure from seeing a woman raped and beaten repeatedly. However she becomes a strong woman because of it and gives her attackers just what they deserve. Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying that rape is a GOOD thing--it's a disgusting act of violence. I think the makers of "I Spit" THOUGHT they were n making a revenge film...but they go too fat by having that poor woman raped again and again and again. "Last House on the Left" is somewhat like that. Two teenage girls are raped and tortured to death and killed in turn by two of the girls parents. People defend that film too but I think it's pretty sick and pointless.

OK--I concede that you're partially right. Graphic violence is SOMETIMES needed to make a point. In "The Cook..." it went too far for me.

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I know this question was asked almost two years ago and is, therefore, moot, but I can't believe that the thing that people are saying a child shouldn't watch is the sex parts, as opposed to the


SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!



horribly graphic and realistic scene where they kill the man by stuffing paper down his throat with a wooden spoon handle. I haven't seen this movie in almost 20 years and THAT is the scene that still haunts me. No way would I want my child to see that. The sex is nothing compared to it. I wouldn't even let a 14 or 15 year old of mine watch this, as some posters have suggested.

No, this is an adult movie.


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Yes, I agree totally. What has struck me about this thread was that everybody started their speech with the nudity. Is the religious tabu, now converted into some kind of political correctness dogma, that children should be kept as far as possible from anything related to our bodies, sex etc?
For me, this is so absurd, and it so much shows a lack of real understanding for the needs of children!

Of course the reason why this (great) movie should not be seen by certain age groups is NOT the "frontal nudity" (man this sounds so like the fifties). It is the violence and the humiliation and the madness - this really lives scars in children's minds.

Trust me, all children have had their share of frontal nudity by the age of 10. And I guess this is even healthy for them, to some degree - you should read a novel by Fernand Aragon where the kids (Catholic France, 1900+), try to guess "where do you put it in?", and one remembers the scar he had taken a glimpse of, on his grandmother's belly, after some hernia operation .. "Ahaaa... THERE must be the place!"
Does anyone really think this kind of frame of mind is better for children than actually seeing things for what they are?

On the other hand, the violence that is so much embedded into our mainstream culture seems to me a lot more disturbing and menacing a child's mind. No child has ever waken up in the nite screaming "naked woman!!!"

They scream, "the thief!", and after seeing this movie, they might also scream "the cook! (to end in a lighter note)

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Yes, I have it on good authority that if George Bush had been reelected that his first edict would have been to require all breast-feeding infants be blindfolded.

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Naw, this one is a little slow and pretentious for a young person. Might I suggest a tender story of religious revelations like Martyrs for the tyke.

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