criminals you have the least empathy for? - Cops (1989) Discussion

[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I also felt no empathy towards the guy who got arrested for assaulting his wife/girlfriend (can't remember which) in a scuzzy motel on a Pierce County episode (Season 9), the suspect was found sleeping in the driver's seat of his vehicle, when the suspect came to realize who the police officers were he gets a sick look of rage, while being arrested he asks "reason" and demands to know why he's being arrested, then he gets belligerent towards the police, he strikes me as an army reject.

The police officers then spray him with mace.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I haven't seen that particular episode, but I agree that I have no empathy considering how much rage he had. It seems like a guy like him would assault a woman repeatedly.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

It's a really good episode and one of my favorites, my favorite moment is when the officers spray mace at him, the officers did a good job handling the suspect, they were Officer Mark Fry and Win Sargent.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I've heard of Win Sargent from later Pierce County episodes. I didn't know he appeared in Season 9.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Win Sargent appeared in a couple of Season 9 episodes, he's a decent police officer who I have no issues with.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I think he's a good officer too.

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[–] kenburke (2377) 4 years ago

The sex offenders.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I can't stand them either and would hate having to register as a sex offender.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Another suspect who I didn't have any empathy for was the one from Palm Beach County, FL (Season 11) where a guy got arrested for assaulting his girlfriend, they found the suspect on the roof, the suspect was acting all cocky and arrogant on the roof and even tells the officers that he didn't like their attitudes when they're actually being nice to him, I'll never forget his girlfriend telling him he needs to be beaten by a man along with her egging him on while being questioned by the police, it turned out she moved away from New Jersey just to get away from him and he followed her all the way from New Jersey to Florida.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I've seen that episode before and I don't have empathy for him either. It was very terrible that he followed her from New Jersey to Florida.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I remember the victim saying that she has scratch marks on her face so no other man will look at her, he strikes me as a jealous, possessive man who doesn't want any male to be near her, plus the suspect's attitude reminds me of several people who I used to know and dislike back in the old days.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

That's even more unfortunate.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Another suspect who I had no empathy for was a guy from Wichita, KS (Season 16) who got arrested for assaulting his wife or girlfriend (can't remember which), the suspect was drunk and claims she assaulted him, he was being very volatile the whole time he was being questioned by the police, he also reminded me of this jerk who I knew and despised in high school (he was a couple grades above me).

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Which season 16 episode is that? what other segments were in that episode?

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

The other two segments were the one from Portland where a man grabs a female police officer off of the female in order for her to avoid getting arrested, of course she berates him good for that incident, the other segment was from Palm Springs, California where a police officer pulls over 2 young males (one white, one black) in a Volvo station wagon, the officer finds a decent quantity of marijuana but releases the driver with a ticket since it wasn't an arrestable offense, the officer even asks the suspect what would he do if his airline pilot was flying an airplane high on marijuana?

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I haven't seen that incident in awhile. That Portland segment was very intense. I heard the male suspect just got out for rape not long before the segment was filmed. I didn't have any empathy for him.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I agree with you this segment from Portland was very intense, I didn't blame the female officer for screaming at him the way she did, that is so strange the male suspect just got out for rape not long before the segment was filmed, I hear rapists (especially child molesters) get treated the worst in prison.

On the Wichita segment I can't help but think of this one guy who was a total ass towards me in high school when I watch the male subject complaining, I gotta watch the Portland segment again.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I don't blame the female officer for screaming the way she did. I do hear that child molesters get treated very badly in prison as well.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I normally don't like seeing officers scream at the criminals but this is one of the rare times where their anger was justified, I didn't feel sorry for the male subject at all.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I don't like officers who scream all that much either, I like officers who are very cool dealing with suspects, I think officers should only scream when they're in immediate danger. I think it's worse when they scream at people who did nothing, like Brian Clark did to that woman in season 17.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I remember the Season 17 Fort Worth segment with Brian Clark screaming at the woman who did nothing wrong while trying to arrest the suspect at his residence, I never really liked Brian Clark all that much because he strikes me as very arrogant and head strung, I agree officers should only scream when they're in immediate danger, not when they're dealing with compliant suspects.

I remember one episode from Phoenix (Season 5) the police did a search warrant on a crack house one officer angrily screams at a suspect and even puts a gun to his head considering the suspect did nothing to the officer, I remember feeling angered by that police officers' actions, I remember the police were also throwing suspects to the ground while screaming at them which angered me, that episode is unavailable online, I even wished for the suspects to angrily lash out their tempers and tell the officers they should be given millions of $ and a huge collection of exotic automobiles just for even being nice to these officers.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Brian did occasionally have a sense of humor, but I always thought he was a bit of a jerk. I'm guessing he would never handle dangerous situations all that well.

The Phoenix episode would be interesting to find because of how there's been so much controversy with excessive and deadly force these past few years. They all seem like ones that could potentially be trigger happy, and injure or kill someone who might be cooperative.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

There was something about Brian Clark's personality that rubbed me the wrong way, I do agree he did have a sense of humor at times but came across very arrogant, I thought the episode where he screams at the suspect's mother to get out of the room was the worst episode featuring Clark.

I agree with you there has been so much controversy with excessive and deadly force in the past few years, I don't like seeing officers use physical force on those who are being cooperative, I'm surprised the suspects in that Phoenix drug bust episode didn't start crying because of the poor treatment they received from the officers, I have seen episodes where officers use the taser on those who I didn't think deserve getting tased, I don't think any Phoenix episode from Season 5 is available online

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I too was rubbed the wrong way by Clark. I think when he screamed at the suspect's mother/wife was the worst.

I don't know if I would handle having a gun put to my head during a warrant very well. I'd probably cry too.

Could you give me examples of unjustified uses of tasers, in your opinion?

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

On one Season 20 episode from Palm Beach there was a guy that was running from the police after taking off one of his shoes and when he was slowing down he gets tased by the officers, I thought the tazing was unnecessary, he had a little bit of crack cocaine in his possession.

I didn't like seeing the officers putting a gun to the suspect's head while screaming at him on the Phoenix episode, especially when the suspect wasn't even resisting, I felt there were kinder and more professional ways at dealing with these type of criminals.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I thought that was a bit inappropriate use of a taser.

I didn't like the one in Cincinnati where the black guy fled in the car and then on foot. The guy eventually stopped and he didn't do anything when he was tased. The guy was complaining throughout after being placed in the back of the car and talking about how he had lots of kids. Drugs were found too. It was from season 19. It was the same episode where a husband and wife had an intense argument over drugs at their apartment complex.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I'm watching this episode right now and I thought the tazing was justified because the suspect wasn't complying with the police, he was also resisting arrest which as well, I also found it fairly hard to feel sorry for this criminal because he wasn't being cooperative and won't own up to what he did.

I remember there was another Season 19 episode from Cincinnati where the police did a traffic stop on a couple black males and one was putting up a fight with the police.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

When I saw the segment the first time, the only thing I remembered was that he just moved slightly and got tased. Now that I think about it, it was probably justified.

That other segment you mentioned was slightly hard to watch, because of how intense the fight was, the weird things the suspects said during the fight, plus he was being arrested simply because they found drugs on him.

There was also one where they stopped 3 males outside of a bar for loud music, the officers inspect the vehicle and quickly find a gun on the one male. A struggle happens, and they later learn the man was wanted for a shooting a few years prior.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I do notice some drug users tend to act irrationally while getting arrested probably because they don't want to give up their drugs and the only way they can function is getting high, I just watched this segment and found the segment very intense because of the struggle of the officers getting the suspect into custody.

I don't remember the episode where they stopped the 3 males outside of a bar for loud music, what season was that episode from?

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I'm betting he might have been under the influence at the time. I also noticed the Officer told him that he wasn't going jail, and then they put cuffs on him, so he could have been angry because of that.

That other episode was from season 19. It's the same episode where Ryan Cook stopped the two women in bikinis in their car.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I do remember the one with the two bikini dressed women and thought Ryan Cook was very professional in dealing with these two ladies, I also remember another episode where a couple got arrested for drug trafficking and one officer said that her small child will be in college by the time she gets released from prison.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I liked Ryan in that segment. I liked a few of his jokes too like "I don't need to pat you down" or "motorists will be honking their horns". I liked Ryan's statement at the end about how much he loves Vegas. Despite being a Chicago native, you can tell he loves Vegas so much!

What was the drug trafficking segment from?

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

It was the middle segment in between the traffic stop with 3 males and the 2 bikini women

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Yeah, I liked Chris Wessman. He was the officer in that segment.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Another criminal who I didn't have any empathy for was the one from Albuquerque (Season 8) where a woman got arrested for having pounds of meth in her vehicle, the officers did a traffic stop on her and several of her children weren't wearing their seatbelts (her vehicle didn't have any), they found meth and even a stun gun in her luggage and one of her small children happened to be sitting on it, I wonder how much prison time she ended up getting?

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I've seen that episode before. That was definitely child neglect. I know the kids were sad about their mother going to jail and even the officer didn't want to, even though he had to for their safety. I know he wasn't happy and definitely knew something wasn't right.

I'm sure she served prison time with all the meth she had.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I agree the mother did not care about her the safety of her children or for their wellbeing, I was stunned that she was only 34 years old but she looked like she was 70, I see women twice her age look younger than her, I felt very sad for her children they had to witness their mother going to jail, I don't blame the officer for not being happy having to take her to jail, I thought he did a great job handling a very sad, distressful situation, I also remember she had around $3,500 in cash when she'd gotten arrested.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Yeah, she was probably the oldest 34-year old I've ever seen. Most people still have relatively young looks at that age. I felt very sad for the children too. He definitely handled it very well too.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Another criminal I didn't have much empathy for was the one from Wichita, KS (Season 27) where a long haired guy with glasses got arrested for meth, from the get go he was whiny and obnoxious towards the officer, even the officer had to detain the suspect in handcuffs because the suspect was freaking him out with his whiny attitude, when the officer pulls a bag of meth out of his pants he was crying and claims to be shocked about the meth being in the pockets of his pants, he also claims he just washed his pants and didn't know how the meth got in there.

I saw this video on YouTube (before it got deleted) and I can't believe there are some people siding with the suspect and claiming this officer was a jerk, from my perspective I thought the officer was being cool and respectful towards dealing with the suspect.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

It's been a while since I saw the segment, but I do remember the suspect crying and whining over meth. I thought the officer, Justin Maxfield, was very cool and didn't get angry during the whole segment.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I like Justin Maxwell and always likes how he's able to keep his cool while dealing with the criminals, I also remember the suspect being kind of a jerk towards the officer.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Maxfield was also in another segment of a woman who was in a stolen car. I thought he was cool in that one too and had a little sense of humor too.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Was she driving a stolen pickup truck? I remember him appearing in that segment and thought he handled the traffic stop very well, he does seem to have a good sense of humor and a lighthearted personality.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Yes. She was driving a stolen pickup truck. They did find the owners at the end.

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[–] johnnm58 (545) 4 years ago

Rapists and child molesters are the lowest form of scum there is.

They should be beaten everyday in prison.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

Totally agree with you on that, especially when they feel no shame for their actions, I also watch "To Catch A Predator" and also wonder what jail/prison was like for these creeps.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

I agree that Rapists and Child Molesters are the worst of the worst. It's hard to feel sorry for any of them.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Two ones from episodes I saw a few days ago:

The one from Fresno from season 18 where the Asian woman got beat up by her boyfriend who threatened to kill her. The SWAT team arrives at the house and the man is taken into custody without incident. The Woman returns home and is very relieved when he's arrested.

Also from season 18, the one in Vegas where the man in the slightly long hair threatened to kill his girlfriend outside an apartment complex. Ryan Cook was the main officer and it started with him noticing a woman being grabbed in the same area. The girlfriend also wrote a letter about the abusive relationship.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I don't recall these episodes very well, especially the first, on the Las Vegas episode you mentioned was this the episode where Ryan Cook gets angry and pissed off?

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

Yeah, that's the one where Ryan was angry at the beginning, and it's unusual for him to get that angry. Even the officers I really like can be angry sometimes, but they're human.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I'd like to watch that episode again, I agree we're all human and thought Cook's anger was justified based off what I can remember in this episode, I know the intense situations aren't always easy to deal with.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

At least he was back to his usual self once he got control of the situation.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

True, I know being a cop isn't always an easy job.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

He also was angry in the segment where the woman nearly ran her boyfriend over in the strip mall parking lot. The boyfriend was a meth addict and dealer, and he was kind of whiny the whole time and was worried about their child.

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[–] csweetleaf2 (3687) 4 years ago

I don't remember that segment where Cook was angry over a woman nearing running her boyfriend over in the strip mall parking lot, it does seem like a very interesting segment to watch.

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[–] jcd24fan (401) 4 years ago

It was. The woman went home with her child that night, and her boyfriend got arrested for meth.

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