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I really want to know what went wrong


Obviously this is one of the worst movies ever made. and usually when movies turn out horrible, theres an explaination why, but we have no idea what happened on the set of this film. i heard somewhere that there were constant rewrites which is understandable but doesnt explain why the shark roared, the effects turned out horrendous and the climax was just confusing and pointless. since this movie is one of those famously bad movies, they should make a documentary and explain all of the events that took place prior to making this film because the whole world is curious. How could one of the best movies ever made have a sequel thats one of the worst movies ever made?!!??!?!?!!?!?

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Not much different than what went wrong with Jaws 3. Jaws 2 was the last attempt to make a serious well made Jaws film and the result was okay. After that Universal just decided to make moderately budgeted monster movies with them.. I doubt the intent was ever for it to be good, just profitable..

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I dont know if there were constant re-writes during the shooting of Jaws 4. But it is definitely true that there were constant re-writs during the shooting of the original Jaws movie. In fact the shooting of that film was a chaotic mess from start to finish (read Carl Gottlieb's excellent book about it - 'The Jaws Log' - which you can get easily on amazon and ebay).

So constant re-writes dont necessarily make for a bad film. In fact they may be a secret ingredient in how to make a classic. :)

I think the reason this movie is so bad is because - with the sole exception of Lorraine Gary - nobody involved in the making of it had any link to the original movies, so it has no 'heart' at all. I think its a mistake to think of the Jaws films as being a franchise, in the way that the Bond films are, or the Godfather films were. The Jaws movies are essentially 4 separate films, each one made by different groups of people. Jaws 2 was soon enough after the original that it has much the same feel, but the other 2 were much later and were purely money-making ventures, with no real desire to emulate the spirit or quality of the original. Thats what I think anyway.

Its such a shame because I actually believe there are some small nods here that show it could have gone in a different direction. Especially in the first 20 minutes or so. After the big mistake of making Jaws 3 take place away from Amity, they made the right decision by bringing the story back there. Its really nice to see the town again, and its also nice that Shaun grew up to become the chief of police. So the opportunity was there to do something interesting. OK so Roy Scheider was never going to do it, but why couldnt they have offered Richard Dreyfuss whatever it took to get him back? Or Murray Hamilton (was he still alive in '87?) You know what I mean. They could have started the film with those 2 back for Martin's funeral.

It might have been interesting to have Hooper have the affair with Ellen that they have in the Peter Benchley book. With Shaun and Mike looking on disapprovingly, but eventually being won round. Shark-wise, how about the Brodys and Hooper actually defending sharks and trying to stop the towns-folk from killing them? That would give a nod to the change in public/environmental opinion that has taken place since the original book/film. Or hey, how about a young Quint character (son or daughter of the original) turning up and locking horns with Hooper and the Brodys over what happened all those years ago on the Orca?? I'm getting carried away now. lol. But you see what I mean - with a tiny bit of thought there were interesting places the movie could have gone. Shame it'll never happen now, and all we have is this lamentable turkey of a film. :(

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murray hamiton was supposed to come back as the mayor but he had cancer and was too sick...died before filming started (according to the trivia for this movie)

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How old was Sean in Jaws 2? Like 9-10 at the most. Now at 19-20 he is the chief? Pretty ridiculous continuity TBH.

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they say that the shark is after revenge, even though sharks don't form family units and have no problem with killing one another.
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Of course, some viewers believe that the "revenge" in question is Ellen Brody's as well as the shark's.

I thought the film was great, right up to the point they get to the Bahamas, after which "it spun in. There were no survivors."

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The problem with the film is that its obviously rushed. Instead of taking their time with the script they just wrote whatever came to mind it seems. They had some good ideas but the film just keeps going off track and it's like nobody cared to say anything while it was being shot. They all took their paychecks and didnt care about the film.

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And the whole Bahamas thing, like the Florida thing in 3-D, takes us away from Amity and the US's northeast coastline. Beginning in good old Amity in winter: Revenge. I doubt that a "real" Jaws film can authentically be shot outside of its original locale. I find "Amity in Winter" to be interesting and beautiful. A winter shark hunt would have the added dread-factor of the sea in winter. A dangerous monster lurking in stormy waves is even more menacing than one lurking in the relatively gentle waves of summer. Regardless of the season, though, I wish Revenge would have dealt with Amity people. After all, the screenplay situates the shark initially in Amity waters - just like the preceding two films.

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The first 15 or so minutes of Jaws The Revenge I thought were pretty good. I remember the scenes in Amity vaguely when watching it when it came out and mostly remember the scenes in the Bahamas which were pretty bad.

When watching it again recently the scenes in Amity I thought were well done and had the feel of the original and even had some of the same people from the original, it was interesting seeing Amity around Christmas with snow on the ground and I thought this movie had potential but then you have the yuppie son coming and taking the mom to the Bahamas and the movie completely changed and fell apart. They should have kept the movie in Amity and Brody's wife and others fighting the shark in winter, it won't attack anymore swimmers(too cold) but it still could have been interesting, would have been better if they did not kill off Brody and had Brody(Shreider) fighting the shark once more but he likely did not want to do another sequel, having Hooper in it teaming up with Brody again would have been even better.

The 3rd Jaws is really the most cheesy popcorn sequel, shark way too fake looking, way too big, roars, corny creepy 3D effects that don't translate well into 2D, no real potential to be good or taken seriously, basically totally unrelated to the original.

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Murray Hamilton was set to return for Revenge. He died before filming began.

Also, from the trivia section:

"The original script features a cameo for Richard Dreyfuss's character from the original Jaws (1975), marine biologist Matt Hooper. In Hooper's scene, he calls the Brodys and is greeted on the phone by Thea, who knows him as "Uncle Matt". Hooper is established as being close to Michael and Carla, who calls him "my second favorite marine biologist", and he gives them his condolences about Sean's death. Hooper and Michael discuss their careers, the late Martin Brody, and Hooper's once spending Christmas with the family with Martin dressed as Santa Claus. The scene ends when Michael heads off to summon Ellen to the phone to talk to Hooper."


Jaws Revenge had a lot of potential. It had a great cast. We saw Amity again. Mrs Taft, Mrs Kintner, and Mr Posner (now the Mayor of Amity, where he was a selectman in the first two) made cameos. The spirit of Martha's Vineyard instantly takes us back to the look and feel of the original film. The dialogue was intentionally rough and scrambled, with background conversations and muddled sentences that would run over one another. That was lifted directly from the original, and made the dialogue organic and realistic. Michael Small, in my opinion, gives us the best score since the original film and he even adds layers to it that I find impressive. YouTube the main score for Revenge and you'll notice the subtle additions to John William's score and it's pretty spectacular. Revenge was also the first PG-13 Jaws film. It was set, initially I believe, to be a darker sequel. The opening scenes in Amity were great. Sean's death was horrific, contrasted by the Christmas choir.

We all know the faults with Revenge, which I blame partly due to rewrites and a mismanaged production schedule, so I won't dabble on them. But I can sense the direction they tried to go in. The film was more focused on the story of Ellen Brody (after Scheider denied a return offer due to him being killed in the beginning instead of Sean), and we can see they tried to make it work. The scenes with Mike and Thea were touching, replicating the scene from the original with Martin and Sean. The film was given a large budget, shot on location in the Bahamas and Martha's Vineyard (beautiful underwater cinematography by John McPherson and Pete Romano by the way), SEVEN sharks were built for this film - it was all good intentions!

If you want to look at a disaster film, look no further than Jaws 3D. Absolutely awful. Not a single trace to the original film or the sequel, why? Because it was hastily rewritten into a "serious" sequel when before it was set to be a spoof. The 3D was awful, as was the shark effects. The underwater shots were AWFUL. The climax with the STILL photo of a shark "swimming" towards the screen was embarrassing. None of the actors in the film felt like Sean or Michael Brody from the original film (sorry Dennis Quaid). There was no Jaws score present. No Amity. Nothing remotely familiar. It might as well have been a different shark movie, because the premise is interesting but not within the Jaws universe. It felt, looked, and performed like a bad TV movie. Revenge, by contrast alone, looks 10x as good.

The people who say Revenge was the worst of the bunch - I have never understood it. I think most of all it's the stigma attached to Revenge. Whereas Jaws 3D was an 80's sequel lost in a resurgent wave of 3D movies, Revenge was a much bigger anticipated, heavily marketed sequel that is much well known by estimation. The "so bad it's good" stench is attached to the film, and of course the infamous tagline along with it being the last in the series seem to make people assume it's the worst, when in reality it's much better in final form and apparent efforts than Jaws 3D.

Just my opinion.

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I always took "The Revenge" part as - the shark has attacked the Brody family and Ellen turns to confront that demon and fights back. That pivotal moment on the beach after the banana boat, when she turns, looks at the sea, then races off to the boat. It's a moment of "I'm coming after you now".

I recognise it's a flawed film, but actually, I believe 4 is better than 3. What the hell, they're all guilty pleasures anyway. Enjoy the films for what they are.

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What was he a star from. The first jaws? Just curious.

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Blinded by the possibility of making money, and rushing out any old tat... You can't possibly make anything good out of a script like this, no matter how well you dress it up on set... Something was just knocked up in the quickest time possible because the studio needed a 'big movie name' for their upcoming slate.

If everything is intentionally rushed instead of taking time and care over it, you get something this bad.





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worst movie? I saw Get Hard , that is a lot worse than this






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What went wrong was that they decided the cash in on the Jaws franchise with a 4th film. Period. What the heck was there to do after 3-D? At least that installment had originality, however laughable some might see it. It's not altogether improbable. Anyway, most people complain about the effects being bad and embarrassing and whatnot. Fine, it's dated, and hasn't translated well in 2-D but it's still more exciting than Revenge Our fine cast here sleepwalks through the horrendous script that might play well in taking a few cues from the original Jaws but makes a complete mockary of it in total. It was an idea that shouldn't have been greenlit. Redundancey at it's worst.

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

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I never thought the movie was that bad.

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