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Did Daniel do the crane kick wrong?


Chozun was able to defend and counter it. Did Daniel mess up?

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He didn't mess up. He was facing an adversary that was also trained in Miyagi-Do (remember that Miyagi's father trained Sato, who in turn trained Chozen), so it was highly likely that Chozen was familiar with the move. This is also backed up by the fact that when Daniel went into the crane kick pose, Chozen feinted Daniel with his head and when Daniel kicked, Chozen was able to block it.

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It *looked* right as far as the KK movie canon goes.

I guess it means that either Daniel-san did it wrong, or Miyagi was wrong when he said "if do right, no can defense"..



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Or, Sato had developed a defence in the years after Miyagi left Okinawa and taught it to Chozen.

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Or that..

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""if do right, no can defense".."

Maybe he meant that the usage of the 'defence of the beer can' doesn't work.

All kidding aside, there's no such thing as 'can't defend', although if your timing is correct and you are doing a simple technique like a straight punch without telegraphing and fast enough after you have successfully used a feint, for example, defending can be tricky or very close to impossible.

If someone sees what you are trying to do and knows your 'plan' (although you shouldn't really have a 'plan' anyway, or you can't be in the moment), defence is going to be easy.

As to the Crane Kick goes - a pretty ridiculous, unflowing, petrified, unnatural and unnecessarily complex kick as it is - - there were people that remembered it wrong and practiced until they could do it, only to be disappointed as to how much easier it is in the movie.

Some people trained in a way that the 'hurt leg' won't ever touch the ground, but Daniel immediately puts the other foot on the ground while kicking with the 'healthy foot' (how can he withstand the pain?? How can he even do it?? He can't use that foot for support for the other kick, or why even do the whole Crane Kick thing, if he's foot is that healthy?).

So in -that- sense, logically thinking, and knowing what's possible for the human body, Daniel always does the Crane Kick wrong.

A straight punch after successful feint delivered fast, snapped with correct timing and distance - now THAT would be hard to defene against.

A complex 'balancing act' that's ridiculously predictable and telegraphed, is actually very easy to defend against.

There's also a possibility that no one had developed a defence back in the past, but the defence has been since cultivated without Miyagi's knowledge (although even this explanation would take him down a peg or two from the 'Omnipotent Karate God' status).

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Daniel may have gone to it a little to quickly. He did it early in the match, as opposed to later like he did against Johnny. Perhaps it works better when your opponent is more worn out, and not able to react quicker.

Also it might be a move that works best on an opponent who is not familiar with it. Chozen was trained by Sato who was trained by Miyagi's father so he was probably familiar with the move.

EDIT: It was a terrible kick too. Daniel barely reached Chozen's hip. And he was making a really stupid looking face when he did it too.

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Chozen fought with Miyago-Do karate, so the crane kick was something he would have been familiar with.

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It's no mystery. Daniel lost his balance as he delivered the kick. Probably nervousness.

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The crane kick was lame that caught Johnny by surprise, but would later be blocked by anyone else after that who had an ink of karate skills.

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