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Yes, you DO go around in circles. Dizzy yet?
Yes, I have.
You DO admit it has occured to you, yes ?
Have you ever wondered how that particular claim came about? Because if you don't then you are making assumptions which to be honest are quite far from the truth.
I didn't make an assumption. You claimed to have knowledge and experience of "Karate", I said there is actually no proof of that, you kept repeating yourself, I kept pointing out you have NOTHING to back up your claims.
So far you've just claimed that you have a proven background, which brings me to :
What, my fraudulent karate? Make your mind up whether or not you believe it before handing out such gems of wisdom.
Even if you actually DID have some background and experience within Karate/martial arts, there is no proof that you have any credentials worth mentioning.
Judging from what I read from your conduct on imdb, chances are either
1)You have no experience within martial arts
-OR-
2)You're a very weak martial artist who's pretending to be competent and be more "qualified" than you actually are.
1) or 2) makes the same result regardless: You're a fraud.
Next, we have :
In real life Daniel would had lost all his fights
Which was the topic I responded to :
Except you said he lost those fights IN THE MOVIES!!!!
Still trying to derail the subject, ain't you, wears-alan ?
I did say he lost those fights in the movies, an opinion I DID SUBSTANTIATE.
IRL he would definetely lose as well, and he would not have been so lucky as to score such questionable "victories" over superior opponents Jonny, Chozen* and Barnes.
That is even being "generous" towards Danny, because chances are he'd be put in his place early in the elimination rounds in Part 1) and stopped a lot sooner, so there wouldn't be any fights VS Bobby, Jonny, etc. for him in the first place, at least not in the tournament; Cobra Kais would be the official tournament winners, Kreese would be happy and have kept his students; furthermore if that would have him and Myiagi NOT to make a trip to Okinawa, maybe/maybe not, but let's say they had went regardless, same events transpired as we see in Part 2), gets into a fight with Chozen -*outcome of that fight depends entirely on Chozen taking a dive or not*- if he doesn't, Danny will be completely at Chozen's mercy for obvious reasons- moving on to Part 3) now Kreese and his buddy Silver wouldn't have any reason to be mad at Danny, who wouldn't have a title to defend, Mike Barnes wouldn't be hired to beat up on Danny, etc. so there wouldn't be any reason to make Part 3) in the first place, the list could go on and on.
Those signatures are quotes from Tv or movies.
...And you chose to use them.
Assumptions
No, proven well beyond reasonable doubt.
You've been called out on your use of strawmen, red herrings and such. Your only response thus far has been resorting to even more strawmen, red herrings and such. I've substantiated exactly how and why you do it, which you have failed to respond to.
I even presented a fine theory on possible reasons why he was an even bigger wimp than before, which you dismissed as :
Reaching
You're the one reaching and grasping at straws here, resorting to irrelevancies as to whether the events in Part 3) were a result of "piss poor writing" or not. Another poor attempt from you to derail the subject.
Very relevant actually
If he's a wimp or an even bigger wimp because he was written like that is utterly irrelevant. He was a wimp in all 3 parts and would still have his butt handed to him on a silver platter by Barnes.
You see he didn't though did he.
Because of PERFECTLY SUBSTANTIATED REASONS, he LOST. Reasons you have utterly failed to respond to, because it is probably in your best interest to ignore them at your convenience.
Furthermore, you have gone off topic as the topic was IN REAL LIFE HE WOULD HAVE LOST THOSE FIGHTS.
He would have LOST IRL and he LOST those fights in the movies as well. I have substantiated exactly why and how that happened and also presented a fair IRL scenario as to how I see things going down - Danny LOSES a lot sooner IRL than he does in the movies, subsequently not getting to face some of the opponents that he otherwise does in the movies, not in the tournaments at least - but the result amounts to the same :
HE LOSES.
Once again I disagree with you. I never went off topic and I have substantiated why.
Strawman to the end.
Not only are you a sucker for using strawmen, you might be one yourself.
We do see 'The Karate Kid' through different eyes. I just can't believe how anybody could view Danny as the winner and not view his "victories" as an absolute joke, because the Danny I saw LOST 99.9 % of the time. That makes Danny a total failure.
Well it's been fun, but there is really nothing else to add on this subject is there? I mean you've got your opinion and I've got mine, care to leave it at that?
If you won't resort to more strawmen, red herrings (derailing the subject) and such, I'll be willing to leave it at that.
Be warned.
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wears-alan
10 years ago
Yes, you DO go around in circles. Dizzy yet?
Are you?
You DO admit it has occured to you, yes ?
Yes. Someone asked a question on here once. It was 'were there any deleted scenes from Karate Kid'? And I replied that there were a couple. One in particular was Daniel sitting on a pie in the school diner that Johnny had placed on the seat before he sat down'. Somebody replied that I was trolling and trying to make Johnny look bad. So I re-read my post to see if it came off that way. So yes it occurred to me, but then I realised that nobody likes anyone mentioning things that put the Kai in a bad light. I answered the question in a genuine fashion.
I didn't make an assumption. You claimed to have knowledge and experience of "Karate", I said there is actually no proof of that, you kept repeating yourself, I kept pointing out you have NOTHING to back up your claims.
So far you've just claimed that you have a proven background, which brings me to :
Actually you did make an assumption. It has been proven (and not even by me) already on these very boards.
Even if you actually DID have some background and experience within Karate/martial arts, there is no proof that you have any credentials worth mentioning.
Like I said, yes there is.
Judging from what I read from your conduct on imdb, chances are either
1)You have no experience within martial arts
-OR-
2)You're a very weak martial artist who's pretending to be competent and be more "qualified" than you actually are.
1) or 2) makes the same result regardless: You're a fraud.
What was that about not making assumptions 
I did say he lost those fights in the movies, an opinion I DID SUBSTANTIATE.
You substantiated nothing. You gave your opinion.
That is even being "generous" towards Danny, because chances are he'd be put in his place early in the elimination rounds in Part 1) and stopped a lot sooner, so there wouldn't be and fights VS Bobby, Jonny, etc. for him in the first place, at least not in the tournament; Cobra Kais would be the official tournament winners, Kreese would be happy and have kept his students;
Sorry, what are you basing this on? Are you saying there is no way Daniel could have won that tournament in real life?
outcome of that fight depends entirely on Chozen taking a dive or not,
Right, I know this is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but tell me something. Why the hell would Chozen throw this fight? You must be the only person I've heard of to come up with this.
...And you chose to use them.
Yes, because I think they are funny. People often ask where they come from as they seem familiar.
No, proven well beyond reasonable doubt.
Based on what. Your opinion? That isn't beyond reasonable doubt.
I even presented a fine theory on possible reasons why he was an even bigger wimp than before, which you dismissed as :
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As for the rest of the post, it just gets sillier so I stopped reading.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
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forzaeva
10 years ago
Are you?
Well, are you ?
Yes. Someone asked a question on here once. It was 'were there any deleted scenes from Karate Kid'? And I replied that there were a couple. One in particular was Daniel sitting on a pie in the school diner that Johnny had placed on the seat before he sat down'. Somebody replied that I was trolling and trying to make Johnny look bad. So I re-read my post to see if it came off that way. So yes it occurred to me, but then I realised that nobody likes anyone mentioning things that put the Kai in a bad light. I answered the question in a genuine fashion.
Nobody would give a rat's behind if such a scene existed or not. The movie showed Danny in plenty of trouble with the Kais - trouble he asked for.
You think THAT is the reason you've been labelled a troll ?
Actually you did make an assumption. It has been proven (and not even by me) already on these very boards.
"Somebody else proved it." Yeah, right.
Like I said, yes there is.
Which doesn't matter anyway. It is fair to suspect you're a weak martial artist (if you even are that) and I already stated why...
What was that about not making assumptions ?
You're the one who has to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt that you have any credentials to speak of- which you have FAILED TO DO REPEATEDLY. Suspecting you to be a liar and fraud is perfectly reasonable, due to your pathetic conduct on imdb and continuous beating around the bush.
You CLAIM it is proven by somebody else, which I believe is absolute baloney. There is NO SHRED of proof you or anybody else has provided. I'd take any fabricated proof you or anybody could provide on that matter with a bucket of salt, anyway.
I have absolutely NO reason to believe your claims or so-called proof.
You substantiated nothing. You gave your opinion.
You've got that the other way around. You are still spewing out your same old garbage, failing to respond when it suits you and there's a reason you do - because you have no proper response or substantiation as to exactly WHY you think I'm wrong.
Sorry, what are you basing this on? Are you saying there is no way Daniel could have won that tournament in real life?
His spotty "victories" over superior opponents portrayed in the movies and his inferior abilites wouldn't get him anywhere IRL - he wouldn't be awared fluke "victories" in the first place, so it's only fair Danny wouldn't make it to the finals in Part 1.
Why the hell would Chozen throw this fight? You must be the only person I've heard of to come up with this.
Why Chozen would do it : Financial reasons.
He'd already disgraced himself and was cut-off and disowned by his uncle Sato. A wager secretly organized by Miyagi and sponsored by Sato would pay off BIG TIME for anybody betting on LaRusso since the odds would be hugely against LaRusso ever winning the fight. Chozen was offered a fair amount of money for being willing to throw the fight. He swallowed his pride, cashed out, probably on top of that made a wager on LaRusso himself through a friend to make more money off his own "loss", took the dive and subsequently moved far away, where hopefully nobody would find out he disgraced himself in front of an entire village after his "defeat". Suffering a "defeat" furthered his degree of disgrace in that village, but Chozen would have to move away from there anyway, as he was disgraced regardless and cut-off for good. He didn't want to be broke and destitute on top of that.
You'll probably accuse me of "resorting to fiction". That is absolutely not the case ! Chozen clearly lost on purpose and this is a perfectly fair explanation as to why.
As for the rest of the post, it just gets sillier so I stopped reading.
"You're so dumb, I even stopped reading."
Oh, great. An admission you are INDEED ignoring anything that suits you at your own convenience. Stopping reading and properly responding to my post, still spewing out strawmen, red herrings and such should actually give you credibility ?? Ore even better, make up for your complete lack of credibility ??
And you STILL wonder why nobody in their right mind will ever take you seriously and rather brand you a TROLL ?
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wears-alan
10 years ago
Just can't take anyone seriously who says Chozen only pretended he wanted to kill Daniel and threw the fight. Explaining anything else to somebody so wrapped up in fantasy would be futile.
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forzaeva
10 years ago
Just can't take anyone seriously...
Says he who seriously never could be taken seriously if hell froze over. Not by me, at least.
...who says Chozen only pretended he wanted to kill Daniel and threw the fight.
I made a fair explanation why Chozen would throw the fight and just how that would be beneficial for him. I could go into further detail as to just how such a wager on a pre-arranged fixed fight would be beneficial to Sato, Miyagi and (even more so) Daniel, but I think that is already obvious.
Explaining anything else to somebody so wrapped up in fantasy would be futile.
Looking past your "wrapped up in fantasy"-claim, I'd be thankful if you saved yourself the trouble. It would be a waste of your time.
I substantiated thoroughly why I found Daniel's so-called victories to be of such dubious and ludicrous nature that I could never see him as the winner.
You preferred to ignore my reasons why, brand them "uninformed opinions", claim "superior knowledge" of Karate and repeatedly referred to the end results of the fights (victories in favour of Daniel).
Point being, there's a reason why you ignored my key points, failed to respond properly to key points and rather resorted to all the classic methods (strawmen, derailing the subject, etc.).
When somebody does that, I usually take that as a clear sign of defeat.
Reasons why I also branded you a troll in my initial response to you, is because I've noticed your discussions with other members of imdb, you struck me immediateley as someone who had the typical attitude of a troll. Now that you and I have have been through a few exchanges, I know my immediate impression was right. Still, nothing personal. Just business.
There are a few points where we seem to agree, though. Silver's 'Sudden Death'-tactic was gambling. And Daniel WAS more of a wimp than what he had been. But I never felt those points deserved to be made a big deal out of, as I always thought Daniel was a wimp and lost those fights regardless.
Here's a prime example of what would probably happen IRL if Daniel by some divine miracle even had gotten to the final tournament fight and face Jonny in Part 1 and not have gotten away with some ridiculous fluke "victory" :
Karate Kid Final Fight *Re-cut* Johnny Wins! (Alternate Ending)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMND_CBUNkYIt's fan-made but it's not bad.
(Yes, I know I've left out the 'h' in Jonny all along)
I'd be willing to let our debate rest, but be warned :
You seem to want the typical 'final word' (in your case yet another strawman, red herring and such). Don't waste your time doing that.
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wears-alan
10 years ago
Says he who seriously never could be taken seriously if hell froze over. Not by me, at least.
Not taken seriously by you? Never mind eh?
I made a fair explanation why Chozen would throw the fight and just how that would be beneficial for him. I could go into further detail as to just how such a wager on a pre-arranged fixed fight would be beneficial to Sato, Myiagi and (even more so) Daniel, but I think that is already obvious.
You may believe it's a fair explanation if you wish. After all you're entitled to your opinion...however outlandish it is.
I substantiated thoroughly why I found Daniel's so-called victories to be of such dubious and ludicrous nature that I could never see him as the winner.
Well, you substantiated that it was your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
You preferred to ignore my reasons why, brand them "uninformed opinions", claim "superior knowledge" of Karate and repeatedly referred to the end results of the fights (victories in favour of Daniel).
The very fact I called them uninformed shows I didn't ignore them. It acknowledges them but believes they are incorrect.
oint being, there's a reason why you ignored my key points, failed to respond properly to key points and rather resorted to all the classic methods (strawmen, derailing the subject, etc.).
When somebody can say Chozen threw that fight you know that person is beyond serious debate.
When somebody does that, I usually take that as a clear sign of defeat.
See above retort.
Reasons why I also branded you a troll in my initial response to you, is because I've noticed your discussions with other members of imdb, you struck me immediateley as someone who had the typical attitude of a troll.
So are you saying you have followed me to other boards, or are you saying my attitude on the KK boards?
Now that you and I have have been through a few exchanges, I know my immediate impression was right. Still, nothing personal. Just business.
No offence taken.
There are a few points where we seem to agree, though. Silver's 'Sudden Death'-tactic was gambling. And Daniel WAS more of a wimp than what he had been.
Not a complete loss then.
But I never felt those points deserved to be made a big deal out of, as I always thought Daniel was a wimp and lost those fights regardless.
So you see a kid who gains confidence and even goes on to win a fight to the death is suddenly 3 stones heavier and a bigger wimp than before he started and you don't think that is relevant. Or, Mike Barnes, who has already given Daniel plenty of beatings, has to then go on a risky win a point-lose a point venture,when the objective is to take the guys title (remember Barnes could have been disqualified for that kick to the groin) and you don't think that's relevant. Of course it is.
Here's a prime example of what would probably happen IRL if Daniel by some divine miracle even had gotten to the final tournament fight and face Jonny in Part 1 and not have gotten away with some ridiculous fluke "victory" :
Karate Kid Final Fight *Re-cut* Johnny Wins! (Alternate Ending)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMND_CBUNkY
It's fan-made but it's not bad.
I've seen it. It was made by someone on this board. Very funny. I enjoyed it.
(Yes, I know I've left out the 'h' in Jonny all along)
No worries.
I'd be willing to let our debate rest, but be warned :
You seem to want the typical 'final word' (in your case yet another strawman, red herring and such). Don't waste your time doing that.
OK.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
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forzaeva
10 years ago
Not taken seriously by you? Never mind eh?
Coming from you, that remark is worthless.
You may believe it's a fair explanation if you wish. After all you're entitled to your opinion...however outlandish it is.
Which it is (a fair explanation). You claim it is "outlandish" without saying WHY you think so.
Well, you substantiated that it was your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
I did substantiate why, you constantly evade MY EXACT explanations as to WHY my opinions are concluded the way they are yet again. In your best interest, when you don't have an answer.
The very fact I called them uninformed shows I didn't ignore them. It acknowledges them but believes they are incorrect.
As long as you always ignore to specify WHY, you do fail.
I have thoroughly specified WHY I came to my conclusions from the start, you have ignored that from the start.
When somebody can say Chozen threw that fight you know that person is beyond serious debate.
It is not up to you, a troll, to decide who "is beyond serious debate"... And you fail to mention WHY. What a surprise.
Somebody who always fails to mention WHY is who's beyond serious debate.
See above retort.
Yes, you do that.
Not a complete loss then.
...But I don't care about that 'Sudden Death'-"victory", which was a result of Silver's tactics. Still a LOSS for Daniel.
So you see a kid who gains confidence and even goes on to win a fight to the Death...
False confidence gained from a "victory" in a fixed fight.
...is suddenly 3 stones heavier and a bigger wimp than before he started and you don't think that is relevant.
If he got too complacent, that is his problem.
Or, Mike Barnes, who has already given Daniel plenty of beatings, has to then go on a risky win a point-lose a point venture,when the objective is to take the guys title (remember Barnes could have been disqualified for that kick to the groin) and you don't think that's relevant. Of course it is.
Of course it isn't. As long as a weak, defenseless Daniel is so badly beaten throughout the fight like that, I don't find his 'Sudden Death'-fluke "victory" to be of any worth, no.
I've seen it. It was made by someone on this board. Very funny. I enjoyed it.
This is a more proper ending, even though Daniel still lost regardless in the original 'KK' ending.
No worries.
I don't.
OK.
I've only noticed you on the 'KK' boards. I don't care to follow you. I'm no stalker.
Are you still going to waste more of your time ? You continue to fail to respond properly, saying WHY you think I'm wrong other than to just keep referring to :
- Daniel won on points, so he won
- Daniel KO'ed Chozen, so he won
- Daniel scored the 'Sudden Death' point, so he won
Which I for good reasons have picked apart and substantiated WHY I conclude the way I do, something that you disagree on, but you fail time and time again as to offer any in-depth substantiation as to WHY you disagree, other than keeping referring to the above results, making a big deal out of Daniel's increased wimpiness (cowardice) in Part 3 and Silver's 'Sudden Death' tactic, + your usual dose of strawmen, red herrings and such for your every post, which is just sad and pathetic of you.
You were even the one who initially suggested "enough is enough", yet I count you have gone back on your word three times so far, most recently with your pathetic 'last word' "OK".
You failed. Again.
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wears-alan
10 years ago
...But I don't care about that 'Sudden Death'-"victory", which was a result of Silver's tactics. Still a LOSS for Daniel.
You've made your mind up, so no scope for debate there then if you think a victory is a loss.
False confidence gained from a "victory" in a fixed fight.
I think your explanation here is the most reaching I've ever read on these boards.
If he got too complacent, that is his problem.
...and put on 3 stones in weight on aflight home from Okinawa.
Of course it isn't. As long as a weak, defenseless Daniel is so badly beaten throughout the fight like that, I don't find his 'Sudden Death'-fluke "victory" to be of any worth, no.
Yeah, let's not count Kai losses eh?
Which I for good reasons have picked apart and substantiated WHY I conclude the way I do,
Good reasons being you weren't happy with that wimpy kid winning so you spat the dummy out and came up with a steaming pile of crap.
You were even the one who initially suggested "enough is enough",
I actually said 'care to leave it at that'? Obviously you don't because you keep coming back trying to justify your claims. You want the last word? Just say agree to disagree. Job done. But now you will turn that in to 'Don't tell me what to do'! Seriously I'm not, it's just a suggestion.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
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forzaeva
10 years ago
I think your explanation here is the most reaching I've ever read on these boards.
Yet you fail to substantiate WHY.
Taking a dive for a substantial amount of money would nothing but benefit somebody who's already disowned by his uncle, now having to make it on his own, who'd previously no source of income except running small-time scams. I'd say it makes perfect sense for Chozen, who is already disgraced, to take the dive.
...and put on 3 stones in weight on aflight home from Okinawa.
3 stones = 19 kgs = 42 lbs. Looking at Daniel compared to Part 2, there is no way he looks to have gained that much. His face is a little rounder, he looks to have gained A FEW pounds, NOT 42 pounds. The weight change you suggest would leave Daniel looking pot-bellied and semi-fat, considering his scrawny physique. That is not the case.
EDIT: Even a small gain in weight shows a lot more when someone is as slim as LaRusso/Macchio was in the first place.
You're nitpicking at what you find to be a continuity problem in attempts to derail the subject and clearly exaggerating Daniel's small gain in weight.
Yeah, let's not count Kai losses eh?
You were referring to Part 3 in that section of your previous post where I responded, and now you're referring to Part 1.
Good reasons being you weren't happy with that wimpy kid winning so you spat the dummy out and came up with a steaming pile of crap.
I said I'm perfectly happy and willing to accept he "won" those fights. Because I found he really LOST, I substantiated my conclusions. Which you INTENTIONALLY ignored and failed to respond to. Labelling something "a steaming pile of crap", "uninformed opinions" doesn't make it so, when you're not even able to substantiate WHY you think that is so.
I actually said 'care to leave it at that'?
...Which is an insinuation you've had enough, hence the "enough is enough" translation.
Obviously you don't because you keep coming back trying to justify your claims.
I HAVE justified my claims, something you conveniently have ignored time and time again, I HAVE explained why referring to "Daniel won on points, KO'ed Chozen, won the 'Sudden Death'-decision" simply will NOT do and WHY I found his "victories" to be so ridiculous and questionable, something you once again INTENTIONALLY ignored, even admittedly saying at one point:
"Your post was so silly, I stopped reading"
Furthermore, you conveniently attempt to nitpick at trivial details, twist what's been said around and derail the subject in VIRTUALLY EVERY new post you make here. You have been called out on that numerous times, something you also conveniently IGNORE while playing your same old song. No surprise here.
Want the last word?
It is YOU who seems to be coming back for more. I did say I was willing to put our debate to rest and call it a difference in opinion.
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wears-alan
10 years ago
It is YOU who seems to be coming back for more. I did say I was willing to put our debate to rest and call it a difference in opinion.
Good. We'll do that then.
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