With threads with titles like "This movie was Bad" and "Directing sucks" - really? Akira Kurosawa is a bad director??? - I thought it might be time for a new thread.
How about "best film ever made." Not just Kurosawa's best movie - which, considering the man made "Rashoman", "Seven Samurai" and "Ikiru", would be huge praise - but best movie period. Yes, that's right, better than "Citizen Kane"! Better than "The Godfather". The best film I have ever seen!
Kurosawa took "King Lear" - arguably, Shakespeare's best play - and actually made it better. By setting it in Japan and changing Lear's daughters into sons - the two eldest fighting over their father's throne, slaughtering his army, and attempting to murder him - the tragedy is so profoundly epic, Kurosawa makes it feel as if the Heavens are weeping and as one dying gaurd proclaims "Hell is upon us!"
Kurosawa's second master stroke was creating an Iago-like puppet master character in the form of Lady Kaede. Like Ichimonji's sons, sexual politics come into play with her character: as a woman, she can never rule her late-father's kingdom; therefore, she must seduce and manipulate Ichimonji's eldest and corruptible sons.
Am I alone in thinking that this is the best film ever made?
The greatest ? A little extreme, no ? Granted it's a great film but falls short on several fronts, especially characterization. Characters are almost inter=changeable and never fully developed. With 160 minutes of film I find that inexcusable. One never really sympathizeas with any character. The lead, Lord Indominji is almost a cutboard character with his heavy fake make-up and extreme facial contortions. I know the Japanese language is gutteral but 160 minutes of continual grunts from everyone tends to dull the senses for the subtle. I think the cinematography is fantastic but I believe that's what really sweeps people into saying GREATEST. The colors, pageantry and landscapes are mind blowing. they tend to mask everything else. The battle scenes are hardly realistic, almost cartoony. This is no match for the epic Godfather or Citizen kane. Sorry. In fact in all the ten best lists I've ever seen, Ran never appeared so all the "experts" can't all be wrong. Great but not the GREATEST !!
I know the Japanese language is gutteral but 160 minutes of continual grunts from everyone tends to dull the senses for the subtle.
Klingon is guttural. Japanese is most definitely not. I'm guessing you haven't seen many Japanese movies that don't feature samurai yelling at each other.
I don't rank Ran as my "greatest of all time" but it certainly is one of the most beautiful films. Practically every frame is saturated with gorgeous colours making the entire film look like a series of masterful paintings.
"The lead, Lord Indominji is almost a cutboard character with his heavy fake make-up and extreme facial contortions."
Kurosawa was being self-consciously theatrical with this film. The old-age makeup, I think, is very delibertaely artificial - an actor playing an old man, as opposed to a real old-man. This is not a film meant to invoke a sense of realism, it's operatic: tragedy on a grand scale.
With the exception of the battle sequences, the film creates a sense of watching theater as opposed to cinema: Lord Ichimonji's wrinkles are literally painted on his face, Lady Keade is such an evil character that she laughs maniacally at her evil deeds like one of Macbeth's witches.
The makeup was directly influenced by traditional Noh theater masks. It was intentional... and in my opinion, brilliant.
I really love this movie to bits.
It's always so hard to get people to watch it though. It requires so much from its viewers... both in its scope, the style of the acting, the translation, the length and pacing. Jurassic Park this isn't. But my god... what an absolutely marvelous film.
I remember watching that crappy Edward Zwick film, "The Last Samurai" - you know... the one that turned the Satsuma rebellion into a 2 hour melodrama about how beautiful Tom Cruise's hair is? I remember the battle scenes in it - and amid all the carnage... you could see the use of CGI. So many of the soldiers in those war scenes were computer generated - and all i could think was... damn... Kurosawa actually staged real wars... used hundreds if not thousands of extras... and he did it twenty years ago.
by craigjohnson20 (Sun Dec 7 2008 22:33:30) Ignore this User | Report Abuse With threads with titles like "This movie was Bad" and "Directing sucks" - really? Akira Kurosawa is a bad director??? - I thought it might be time for a new thread.
How about "best film ever made." Not just Kurosawa's best movie - which, considering the man made "Rashoman", "Seven Samurai" and "Ikiru", would be huge praise - but best movie period. Yes, that's right, better than "Citizen Kane"! Better than "The Godfather". The best film I have ever seen!
Kurosawa took "King Lear" - arguably, Shakespeare's best play - and actually made it better. By setting it in Japan and changing Lear's daughters into sons - the two eldest fighting over their father's throne, slaughtering his army, and attempting to murder him - the tragedy is so profoundly epic, Kurosawa makes it feel as if the Heavens are weeping and as one dying gaurd proclaims "Hell is upon us!"
Kurosawa's second master stroke was creating an Iago-like puppet master character in the form of Lady Kaede. Like Ichimonji's sons, sexual politics come into play with her character: as a woman, she can never rule her late-father's kingdom; therefore, she must seduce and manipulate Ichimonji's eldest and corruptible sons.
Am I alone in thinking that this is the best film ever made?
It is possibly one of the greatest films ever made.
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I love Kurosawa's films, and they are definitely at the top of my favorite films of all time list. I'm not sure that "Ran" is the greatest film of all time though. I guess there's no real authority who can judge which film is the greatest; it all goes back to the opinion of the individual. I'm glad that you feel "Ran" deserves this title though! It's always nice to find people who share your opinions on films.
I like your idea about Lady Kaede performing the role of Iago, arguably one of Shakespeare's greatest villains. Watching the film, I noticed a connection between Lady Kaede and Edmund from "King Lear." Granted it is a very loose connection, but I thought that the actions and motives of Lady Kaede and Edmund were very similar. If you think about it, Lady Kaede seduces and manipulates Taro and Jiro very much like Edmund seduces and manipulates Goneril and Regan. Lady Kaede wants to destroy Lady Sue as Edmund wants to destroy Edgar. Her plan to destroy the Ichimonji clan is similar to his plan to turn the Earl of Gloucester against his legitimate son. Also, both Lady Kaede and Edmund share a similar status. As a woman in feudal Japan, she cannot inherit her family castle and territory; as a bastard in Celtic Britain, he cannot be the heir to the title of Earl of Gloucester. Anyway, that's just something I noticed after studying "King Lear" and "Ran" for a project in my Shakespeare class. "Ran" is a truly remarkable film. I agree that Kurosawa improved on Shakespeare. I believe Ichimonji's descent into madness is more believable than Lear's loss of sanity, but that's just my opinion. I won't go into more detail because I don't want to spoil the film for anyone. ^_^
I recently saw Ran again on the big screen after more than 20 years. (My mom took me when I was 12 and it was first released in the U.S.) It blew me away all over again. I took my little bro to see it. He's 14 and wasn't immediately thrilled about seeing a subtitled movie, but he loved it. He never once asked me what time it was or how much time was left, like he does at most movies. (After an hour or so he did whisper to me, "When does the fighting start?" I told him, "Soon.")
If not the greatest movie of all time, it's certainly one of them.
Ran is no question a great work of art. I wouldn't go so far to call it the "best film ever made," but won't quibble with that.
However, in comparing "Ran" to its partial source material, you write:
"Kurosawa took "King Lear" - arguably, Shakespeare's best play - and actually made it better. By setting it in Japan and changing Lear's daughters into sons - the two eldest fighting over their father's throne, slaughtering his army, and attempting to murder him - the tragedy is so profoundly epic, Kurosawa makes it feel as if the Heavens are weeping and as one dying gaurd proclaims "Hell is upon us!"
You haven't explained at all how or why changing the setting to Japan, and the sex of the warring siblings -- makes this "better" than the original. In case you hadn't heard, King Lear already IS a "tragedy [that] is so profoundly epic." You then use a simile ("as if the Heavens are weeping") that goes nowhere. I'm not saying the argument can't be made, but just that this isn't it.
Ran benefits from extremely powerful visual tableaus and set pieces, and of course the superb acting of its principles, and (duh) the overall direction and cinematography, plus phenomenal score. But I actually find it somewhat wanting in its power to move or effect on a deep, cathartic and emotional level. Yes, there are powerful and poignant moments, but these are nowhere close to the poignancy and depth of King Lear (especially when wrought by great actors and directors). But then, I feel it's a bit silly to compare: the one is largely a visual form, the other verbal. Of course, they converge in the realm of drama (and storytelling), but Shakespeare's poetry contains wisdom and profundity unlike just about any other artform or medium, save for others of his great plays.
I believe one of the most cathartic elements of the original is that we have a daughter (Cordelia) who never wrongs her father (and is simply loathe to make pretty speeches to win the greater part of his kingdom), but who is condemned nonetheless. Thus, when they reconcile -- only when it is too late -- it is all the more poignant. What could be more touching than Lear, flitting between madness and sanity, believing her lips may still be moving? Conversely, the Emperor in Ran has three equally unpleasant sons; the youngest happens to be the opposite of Cordelia, and is most brash. In fact, it is HE who must come around in the end and recognize he has wronged his father. That is an interesting reversal, but is far less dramatic and powerful. In specific comparison after another (e.g. the guilelessness and yet wisdom of the "holy" fool in Lear vs. the Puck-ish but impatient one in Ran), Shakespeare for me comes out way on top.
I do love how Kurosawa kind of takes liberally from a variety of sources, including the Lady Macbeth-like Lady Kaede.
You haven't explained at all how or why changing the setting to Japan, and the sex of the warring siblings -- makes this "better".
In the timeframe of "Ran", men wielded more power than women did - I did mention that sexual politics come into play. There is also honor amongst Japanese warriors that cannot be fully explained; The dishonour Ichimonji's eldest sons hold to their father, as it pertains to Japanese culture, is inconceivable. Compare that to, say, the women who use their bodies as human shields to protect Ichimonji against the guns fired by his son's armies - they are not his blood; but they will not hesitiate to die for him.
You are not alone. If someone posts a really negative 1 to 3 word review or just states that "it sux!!!" you know you are reading something by a person who would probably injure him/her self like the three stooges if given a camera. I just had the distinct pleasure of watching this movie in a theater and it is a knockout work of art. Not for everyone, to be sure, but wonderfully crafted. I like to say that a movie this good has flaws and they will be very apparent amid the near-perfection.