Question for fans; MPAA cuts - Friday the 13th: A New Beginning (1985) Discussion

[–] KruegerLoomis 12 years ago

Yeah that's all true.

Lana the Waitress and Eddie's deaths were cut, the sex scene was butchered, Lana's boyfriend's death was also cut. Junior's, Robin's and Violet's too from what I have heard. Would be great to someday see the uncut version. Hopefully nobody destroyed it and it's just lost.

"Welcome to prime time, bitch!" Freddy

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[–] Andy-1981 12 years ago

Danny Steinmann stated that roughly 10% of what he shot actually ended up in the movie. He stated that every kill was minimized by the MPAA.

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[–] shred-com 12 years ago

Yeah, this was probably one of the most cut films of the series. Nobody talks of it much, but it was.
Every death scene was pretty much cut. Jake's being one of the most infamous. I guess the MPAA were shocked by the cleaver to the face and wouldn't allow any trace of it in the film.

The sex scene was probably the biggest cut (in terms of how much footage was cut from one scene). It was likely one of the MPAA's biggest issues with the film since they kept making them cut it.

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

Thanks for all the help,guys. This was really informative.

"Yeah, this was probably one of the most cut films of the series. Nobody talks of it much, but it was. Every death scene was pretty much cut."

Im seriously very surprised by this. I got uncut fanedits of parts 4,6,7 and 8,and watching them in a way that they were supposed to look like is awesome. Uncut part 5 would probaly also be much better then what we got instead.

"The sex scene was probably the biggest cut (in terms of how much footage was cut from one scene). It was likely one of the MPAA's biggest issues with the film since they kept making them cut it."

Damn,just what did the Steinmann filmed that could be so shocking to see? Couple years ago friend of mine told me that original sex scene was cut because there was part with Eddie and Tina going at it "doggy style",and that you can actually see in the movie that scene was cut just when Tina gets up and starts turning around. Then again,there was a guy online who said that he worked as assistant editor on the film and that original sex scene was very much like Baldwin-Basinger sex scene in THE GETAWAY remake.

But in my opinion,even uncut movie probaly wasn't that bad,instead,MPAA dkheads,knowing the kind of acholes they were back in the 80's,just wanted revenge for the way they were fkd over with part 4.

I know that director Danny Steinmann's other film SAVAGE STREETS was also more brutal before MPAA cut some stuff out,but even R rated version is still very violent film. However,R rated version of this movie looks like some PG-13 crapfest that we get nowdays.

Sone new info; i found picture of Violet's uncut death scene. However,this pic shows the actress sitting on sme chair while very bloody hole is visible in her crotch area. Was there also some alternative deaths that were filmed,but cut?

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[–] shred-com 12 years ago

Violet was originally supposed to get a machete in the crotch, but they decided against it.
Not sure if the scene was ever filmed or not.
That would never have gotten by the MPAA anyways.

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[–] scorpion-52 12 years ago

True, though they didn't have a problem with a similar scene in "The Pool"

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[–] shred-com 12 years ago

The Pool wasn't in the 80's, The Pool went DTV in the states and wasn't the pool German? :p.
Nothing alike dude :).

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[–] stanleyhetz 12 years ago

The following USED to be on http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26594

Friday the 13th Part V A New Beginning -March 22nd, 1985

Directed by Danny Steinmann

Plot: Tommy, who is haunted by apparitions of Jason, is sent to a mental facility, when someone starts killing the patients.

Killer: Dick Wieand as Roy

Body Count(22): Two males are killed in a dream sequence, Neil by machete in the stomach, Les by ice pick in the neck. Joey is hacked into pieces with an axe. Vinnie has road flare shoved down his throat. Pete has throat slit with a machete. Billy is axed in the head. Lana is axed in the chest. Vagrant stabbed in stomach. Tina stabbed in the eyes with garden shears. Eddie has head crushed with strap. Anita has her throat cut. Demon is impaled with pole, through leg and then chest. Junior has head cut off. Ethel is smashed int he face with cleaver. Jake has cleaver to the face. Robin is stabbed from beneath. Violet is stabbed in the stomach. Duke is found dead in ambulance. Matt has a railroad spike through his head. George shows up, thrown through a window, with his eyes gouged out. Roy is stabbed, then thrown onto tractor harrow. Pam is knifed in Tommy's dream.

End to Madness: Roy is killed by Tommy.

Axed by the Censors: Longer sex scene in the woods. Extra shot of Anita's dead body.

Alternate Versions: There is a bootleg known as "Version 2" which has several alternate scenes and dialog. There is no close-up of Jason pulling the machete out of Neil's stomach during the opening sequence. Duke's (the paramedic) line is altered when he sees Joey's body. In the original version he says "Bunch of pussies..." while in Version 2 he says "I'll be damned...". There is a different angle briefly used in Pete's death. The scene in which Ethel yells at Junior as he is eating his stew is re-edited to remove the profanity, and uses some different angles. When Demon is about to open the outhouse door, an alternate camera angle is used and some of the profanity he uses is cut from the scene. After Junior is decapitated there is an alternate angle of Ethel in the kitchen, and her dialog is slightly altered. A scene of Violet in her room which originally was part of a scene which occurred a few minutes later. When the scene happens a few minutes later, the footage that was previously used is not present. The scene of Robin going to bed is re-edited to exclude some of her nudity and some dialog. When Pam fights off Roy with the chainsaw, she hits him twice in shoulder. Only the second hit appears in the original version. When Roy dies, the camera stays on Pam, Tommy and Reggie instead of showing Roy falling on the spikes. Eddie's death was cut to avoid an "X" rating; originally blood and his cranial innards spurted out of the straps as Roy twisted them. When Lana the waitress is murdered with the ax, the shot of her body quivering was cut to avoid an "X" rating.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

Here's a word for word copy of the MPAA document. You can see a scan of it in "Crystal Lake Memories" for yourself.

The following are scenes ruled by the MPAA to be "X" or "Hard X".

* Reel 3 295 - Boy hacked, blood splash, view of chopped body.
Reel 3 710 - Boy killed with flare
* Reel 3 794 - Throat cut, blood seeping from throat
Reel 5 Ax to skull, Ax to mid-section, view of corpse (Lana & Billy)
* Reel 5 640 - Knife twist (Raymond kill)
* Reel 5 Sex scene too strong
Reel 5 755 - Hedge clippers to eyes, view of remains
* Reel 5 853 - Head crush too strong
* Reel 6 857 - Outhouse kill too strong, spike through body, boy vomits
Reel 7 220 - Head decapitation (Junior)
* Reel 7 267 - Cleaver to forehead
Reel 7 678 - Cleaver striking face
* Reel 8 875 - Bunkbed kill, view of knife coming through body
Reel 8 135 - Knife in and out of stomach
Reel 9 502 - Jason's hand chopped, spike impalement
Reel 10 Dream sequence - stabbing girl in stomach

* Denotes strong X

The above mentioned scenes must be recut in order for the board to rescreen on Tuesday, February 12, 1985 at 1:00 in the afternoon.

The board will make a second ruling, and the film will be screened again Thursday, February 14, 1985 at 10:00am by Mr. Dick Heffner, MPAA Chairman.

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

Many thanks for that info DrDobbs,also i would like to thank all other users who posted their messages here for all the help. This was very informative and it helped me a lot.

One question for you Dr; Does this "Crystal Lake Memories" book has any other info about MPAA cuts made on other sequels? If it does,could you post it here or by PM?

I'm in the process of collecting all of the data about deleted scenes from FRIDAY THE 13TH movies for my archives,and so far,i only found some Fangoria articles about certain cuts made in parts 5 and 6.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

This was the only one in that book with a scan of the MPAA letter, but the problems they had getting the other sequels through CARA with an "R" rating are discussed here and there.

You can feel free to ask me which other sequels you need a list of the cuts made for an "R" rating, as I have notes on most of them. Just keep in mind I haven't seen any more of Parts 2 or 3 than you have. I had good memories of running Part 2 as a projectionist, though. The crowd went wild opening night! Shame it was butchered for both the rating and because Marta Kober was underage.

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[–] dylanletters-1 12 years ago

What was cut from part 6?

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

Original script for part 6 had much more graphic death scenes which were changed during the pre-production in order to avoid X rating. Still,first cut of the movie had some problems.

Scene was filmed where Tommy and cops are talking about Jason not being creamated,and it's hinted in conversation that Jason's father paid for the burial of his son. There was also a scene where Pamela Voorhees grave was seen next to the Jason's grave. Original ending would have Jason's father visiting his grave,knowing that his son is not there.

Small deleted scene where deputy is locked inside cell screming for help.

Little longer ending with longer confrontation of Tommy and Jason. Some gore was also cut,and longer aftermath of the fight.

Death scenes of Allen,paintball players,caretaker,guy and a girl who got double impaled,two people in the car,Cort,Sissy,sheriff and his deputy are cut,plus much of the gore was cut from "cabin of blood" scene.

Two alternate endings were filmed; one with Jason's mask floating in the lake after he is killed by Megan,second is where doors of police station are suddenly opened while deputy who is locked still tries to get the keys.

There is a workprint available which has some of the scenes shown uncut.

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[–] SillyGayBoy 9 years ago

How do I get this workprint?

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

"You can feel free to ask me which other sequels you need a list of the cuts made for an "R" rating, as I have notes on most of them."

Since i already have official uncut versions of parts 1 and 9 (JASON GOES TO HELL) i don't think i need any info about those two movies. I know that there is alternate workprint version of part 9,but that's another story.

I already said this in my earlier post here,but i got uncut fanedits of parts 4,6,7 and 8 but i would like some confirmed data about cuts made by MPAA on these sequels.

Part 2 is one of favorites. I'm pretty sure that i already have all data regarding MPAA cuts of this sequel. You know,cut death scenes of Alice,Crazy Ralph,cop,Scott,Mark and Jeff and Sandra. Still,if you have something interesting to say about these cuts,let me know.

Part 3,well...it's not my fave that's for sure,but some of my friends mentioned that film had some stuff that was cut,so i'l let you decide whether to post anything about this sequel or not.

Jason X i fckin hate,so don't bother with that POS.

That's it. You can send me your answer in PM or post it here.

One other thing;

"I had good memories of running Part 2 as a projectionist, though. The crowd went wild opening night! Shame it was butchered for both the rating and because Marta Kober was underage."

I didn't know that she was underage! I read here on IMDb boards months ago that sex scene was cut short for ratings,but this is the first time i hear this.

Tell me something about audience reactions on part 2;

What scenes got the most screams or cheers?
Was there some fun moments that you remember?
Kirsten Baker (Terry) is my fave FRIDAY THE 13TH girl,so i have to ask,how did audience react on her "butt shot" and "skinny dip" scenes?

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

I didn't know that she was underage!

She was 16 during the shoot, as I understand it. (Unless you ask her, in which case she'll tell you she was "14, 15 or 16." Okay, Marta, thanks for settling it!) I don't know what she told the producers. If she told them she was 18, if she told them her real age. No one knows because it's the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. For obvious reasons. But, yes, she filmed T&A and the simulated sex scene with Bill Randolph, obviously somebody at Paramount found out after the fact, and that was the end of that. If she was truthful about her age and Miner and the producers had her doing that anyway, they should be ashamed of themselves.

What scenes got the most screams or cheers?
Was there some fun moments that you remember?
Kirsten Baker (Terry) is my fave FRIDAY THE 13TH girl,so i have to ask,how did audience react on her "butt shot" and "skinny dip" scenes?

The most cheers? That's easy. Kirsten taking her clothes off. I believe there were catcalls. Come to think of it, I think I contributed to them. And then when she got offed, all the guys were so bummed. We were all hoping she got away! Also, the head in the fridge and then Alice biting it got a huge reaction. People just weren't expecting that, you know, any more than they were expecting what happened to the heroine in "Psycho."

As for the MPAA tangles, a Cinefantastique article from 1981 (Volume 11, Number 2) with Carl Fullerton times that footage at 42 seconds. I've quoted the pertinent parts below. I saw the picture a day or two before everyone else in the country saw it (save for people who worked on it, who worked at Paramount, and who worked at CARA) as I had to splice the five reels together for use on the platter system. I knew it had been cut to ribbons even before word got out. It was that obvious to me from the first screening. The shots were choppy, there were jump cuts, the audio hiccuped during the wheelchair scene (and still does to this day), there was no fade-in from white screen over the brief surviving moment of the sex scene. Like I said, a shame.

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Carl Fullerton's effects trimmed to avoid an X-rating

The butchery on screen pales beside what was done to FRIDAY THE 13TH— PART II in the editing room, according to makeup artist Carl Fullerton. At the insistence of the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), Paramount cut out 42 seconds of Fullerton's grisly makeup effects to avoid getting slapped with an X rating that would severly limit the film's potential audience. "That's a lot of time," said Fullerton of the cuts, which reduced most effects down to an average of about six seconds each making them for the most part bloodless and glimpsed only fleetingly. Only one effect is missing entirely due to the trimming, a shot of two naked lovers impaled from above by a spear. "I knew this film was going to get compared to Part 1" said Fullerton of the missing shot. "So I pushed for an on-camera effect that would startle the audience; something that had never been seen before." Fullerton was told by director Steve Miner that the MPAA vowed to give the film an X if any part of the effect remained. For the missing shot, Fullerton had actress Marta Kober stick her neck and head up through a hole cut in a bed. Actor Bill Randolph was positioned on top of her — his neck, head and arms sticking up through the hole — fitted with a fake body appliance Miner captured the effect of the spear plunging into Randolph's fake back in a long shot, impaling the screaming, thrashing couple as the stage blood gushed in profusion.

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[–] lukejbarnett (1869) 5 years ago

how can i get uncut versions of parts 1-9?

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

Here are my notes on "Jason Lives".

This brief deleted scene was put back into the TV cut:
1. Deputy Rick shouts for help after being locked in the jail cell. (This appears in between the getaway scene of Megan telling Tommy, "Come on, hot lips, let's go. You drive, I'll navigate." and the next scene of them in the car that starts with her saying, "Let me know when we're about to blast into hyperspace, I'll fasten my seatbelt.") 37 seconds.

The Deluxe Edition DVD contains 35 seconds of MPAA graphic violence trims for the "R" rating...

1. Heart - 1 second (1 shot trimmed)
2. Spear in water - 4 seconds (1 shot removed)
3. Happy face paintball - 11 seconds (2 shots trimmed, 1 shot removed)
4. Paintball decapitation - 4 seconds (1 shot removed)
5. Knife in head in motor home - 2 seconds (2 shots trimmed)
6. Cop with knife in head - 3 seconds (1 shot trimmed)
7. Head crush - 6 second gory take replaced with alternate less bloody 4 second take (1 shot removed + replaced)
8. Sheriff backbreak - 4 seconds (3 shots removed, 1 shot trimmed)

...however, these came from a workprint tape Tom McLoughlin provided that was an early cut of his before reshoots. So it doesn't include the scene where the caretaker and the two idiots on the motorcycle are killed and it doesn't have the money shots of the black girl getting her head ripped off. Throw these things in and I'd wager that they were forced to remove around 40 seconds altogether.

The same workprint also includes an extended cut of the scene where Megan drags Tommy out of the water and administers CPR, which is about 52 seconds longer.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

And here are my notes on "The Final Chapter" (which I updated with some explanatory info just for you).

They were given the "X" for these things (that I know of - I'm not saying there weren't others): murders of Axel, Nurse, Hitchhiker, Samantha, Jimbo, Ted, Doug, Sara, Jason's hand bleeding, Jason's "murder"

The Deluxe Edition DVD has 16 minutes of dailies (sans the original audio) of virtually all of this -- the shot of Barbara Howard writhing on the floor is absent, despite that being the shot they had to trim -- but without seeing a workprint I have no way of knowing how much of it they tried to get through. Let's just say you can take a minute of the blood from those dailies and put it back in and you'd have a much better picture. But if you've ever listened to Joe Zito speak on a commentary or do an interview, you will know that he tends to babble in stream of consciousness and often doesn't get his point across very clearly, and so he hasn't been a great wealth of resources with regards to his troubles with the ratings board. He refers to the shots as "crappy outtakes" and "things we thought weren't really good enough" -- like none of it was ever submitted to the board and like it didn't come back with an "X" repeatedly -- and the only scene where he even seems to be mildly rueful about having had to trim for the "R" is the scene of Judie Aronson being killed on the raft. And he never even mentions the MPAA by name when talking about this on the commentary, so you have to simply read between the lines of who he means when he says it was "cut the most" and "we had cut this scene in such a way that it really was...much better than what was used in the film." On the opposite end of the coin, he actually says about the Peter Barton head crush scene, and I quote, "I left it on the screen too long, so I wish we had even trimmed it more." Well, there you have it. The MPAA didn't make him cut it enough.

These 6 trims, totalling 5 minutes and 54 seconds, were put back into the TV cut to bring the runtime up to 97 minutes (the standard length that pictures ran on broadcast television in two-hour time slots back then). I can't say that I agreed with Zito's decision to remove them from the theatrical release, except for the bit with the ambulance drivers. I think he made a serious mistake dumping the two Peter Barton/Barbara Howard scenes. God forbid there be actual character development.

1. At 6:12, a deleted shot right before the ambulance arrives at the crime scene shows the two ambulance drivers bickering because they hate having to work. This runs 21 seconds.

2. At 30:14, the scene of Tommy working on the broken-down car is extended. Tommy scares Trish with one of his masks and then gives her the keys. Also 21 seconds.

3. At 35:00, the scene of Tommy showing Rob his inventions is extended, and then segues into a completely-deleted scene. After Tommy makes the hand puppet growl, Rob spots a guillotine which intrigues him. Tommy offers him a demonstration by sticking his hand in it. Rob reacts in horror as Tommy seemingly cuts his own fingers off. But it's just a fake hand. Trish enters and tells Rob that their mother has invited him to dinner. He declines the invitation and Rob and Trish leave Tommy's room. Cut to an exterior of the neighbors' cabin. In the completely-deleted scene, Doug enters Sara's upstairs bedroom in a towel. As he gets dressed, he compliments her "nice legs," and asks if she has a boyfriend and if she's ready for the party. When he realizes she doesn't have a boyfriend, he coyly offers that they could skip out on the party and spend the time together. After putting his shirt on, he leaves. 2 minutes and 54 seconds.

4. At 38:14, a completely-deleted scene of Doug and Sara outside the cabin. Doug asks her if she'd like to go back inside and dance. She says no, she'd rather be outside. This appears in between the scene of Trish walking Rob home and the scene of Ted getting the fancy corkscrew in the kitchen while giving Jimbo lady advice. 24 seconds.

5. At 38:49, a completely-deleted scene of Mrs. Jarvis entering Trish's room as Trish does aerobics. (Apparently, Trish teleported back to her cabin.) Mrs. Jarvis tells her that she's going jogging before it rains. Trish tells her that she's going to the neighbors' party. Mom isn't happy to hear this and goads Trish into going into town with Tommy to get parts for the car instead. This appears in between the scene of Ted getting the fancy corkscrew in the kitchen while giving Jimbo lady advice and the scene of the twins chugging the beer. 35 seconds.

6. At 49:11, the scene of Rob finding his tent ransacked is extended. He fiddles with a couple gadgets as lightning strikes. 1 minute and 19 seconds.

This deleted scene appears exclusively on the Deluxe Edition DVD, as Zito did not make it available for the television cut. Although Paramount maintains pristine 35mm picture, the audio for it is not known to exist anymore. It can of course be recreated if Zito were to wish to restore it to the film, but he doesn't.

1. Trish wakes up from sleeping on the cabin sofa with Tommy. She hears police sirens and calls out to them from the window. Her yelling wakes up Tommy, who asks her if it's over. She tells him that the police are here. Tommy walks away and Trish hears the sound of water dripping through the ceiling. She goes upstairs and into the bathroom. After opening the shower curtain, she finds Mrs. Jarvis dead in the overflowing bathtub. She hysterically cradles her mother's dead body as Jason comes up from behind her and raises his machete. Mrs. Jarvis' eyes open (and are all white - no pupils) and Trish turns around, sees Jason and screams. Cut to her waking up in the hospital bed. This scene was edited together specifically for the DVD and runs 3 minutes on the nose.

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

Thank you so much for all of this,Dobbs! It's always good to hear stories about audience reactions back in the day. I read about reactions here on IMDb and around net from first time seeing MARATHON MAN,EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and ALIEN,but your post here is first time i hear about reactions on some FRIDAY THE 13TH movie.

I agree with audience. 10 years after i first saw part 2,and i'm still bummed when Kirsten gets killed. In my opinion,maybe somebody thought that seing her die onscreen would cause certain audience to walk out,so they kept it offscreen :)

Based on your info of parts 4 and 6,my fanedits are uncut,except B.Howard's floor twitching and Jason's hand bleeding in part 4 and caretaker's + motorbike duo deaths in part 6.

I will never understand MPAA. Of course,1981 was tough year for any movie with little more blood that had to pass by censors. But,if i'm not mistaken,THE PROWLER was in theatres back in '80 or '81,and its definatly a LOT gorier then FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2(then again,who knows what exactly was originally shown in part 2). So why would they be such dkheads towards one movie,and let other one pass mostly uncut? I did heard that MPAA got a lot of crap for releasing first movie uncut,but still,they didn't have to be such acholes. I mentioned in my earlier posts here how similar thing happended between parts 4 and 5.

Again,thanks for everything,specially for all that great info about part 2.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

Here are my notes on "Jason Takes Manhattan". The MPAA didn't have major issues with this one, since there wasn't much to begin with, but they did want the blood removed from the spear gun scene along with a few other minor things. The cuts didn't hurt the picture at all (not nearly as much as Rob Hedden's crappy script and Jensen Daggett's poor performance did). I don't even think they took out more than 10 seconds for their rating.

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MPAA "R" rating trims:

1. The spear gun kill is presented two ways on the Deluxe Edition DVD. The slashed scenes featurette simply restores a deleted 2 second gore shot to the theatrical cut. The making of featurette includes a longer 8-second version of this scene (which they have titled "Outtake"), with least one alternate take shot and the same deleted 2 second gore shot from the slashed scenes featurette of the spear in the gut. But it also has an additional 1 second gore shot of the spear being pulled out. Which I'd think Hedden would have wanted to be in there.

2. The boxer in the sauna, the close-up shot of the hot rock in his chest is extended by 1 second.

3. The 2 second shot of Tamara's body was optically-cropped to remove most of the shard wounds in the theatrical cut. Both the slashed scenes and the making of featurette include the shot in its original framing.

4. A 3 second shot of the ship's windows was inserted to cover up part of the throat slicing of the Admiral. The gag reel has an alternate, intact take of the shot but it isn't included in slashed scenes. What is included in slashed scenes is a 1 second blood-free close-up of Jason thrusting the pole into Carlson's back. The close-up was wisely not used in the theatrical cut as it works better without it.

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The following 13 trims, totalling 7 minutes and 15 seconds, were removed by Rob Hedden from his director's cut. There are 3 completely-deleted scenes (1 of which was replaced with a reshoot) and 8 scenes are extended. All of this appears on the Deluxe Edition DVD but was never released otherwise. Some of this stuff is so bad, I can't believe Hedden wasted celluloid on it.

1. At 3:58, a very insipid dialogue exchange, mercifully deleted, between Suzy and Jimmy right before they take their clothes off. 15 seconds.

2. At 6:27, Suzy and Jimmy continue their idiotic conversation about Jason as they hop into bed. She says that they're the last graduating class of their school, which is closing for good, and so there is no reason for Jason to come back. He says that Jason isn't real and not-real people can't come back. Because they're, like, not real and stuff. 31 seconds.

3. At 12:00, Rennie's and Colleen's conversation in the car is extended right before Colleen gives Rennie the pen. Colleen says that since the school is closing, she's giving up teaching in favor of becoming an author. 34 seconds.

4. At 14:10, Colleen's and Charles' fight over Rennie is slightly extended. 9 seconds.

5. At 14:29, the scene of Sean and Miles visiting Sean's father, Admiral Robertson, in the cabin is extended. In the deleted opening of the scene, Sean and Miles enter, say hello, and Miles compliments the Admiral on the ship and thanks him for his generosity. The Admiral congratulates Miles on his diving championship and offers to let him dive off the high board of the ship when it docks. 1 minute and 3 seconds of picture and 1 minute of sound. (The last 3 seconds of dialogue -- Carlson saying, "Have you decided on your departure protocol, Admiral?" -- is overdubbed as a voiceover onto an exterior shot of the cabin in the final cut.)

6. At 27:36, Eva experiences her first line of coke (or "nose candy" as the production referred to it) in a brief deleted moment right before Charles sneaks up on them. 7 seconds.

7. At 28:46, a completely-deleted scene shows the drunk deckhand stumbling around the ship. He trips and falls down some stairs. While picking himself up, he spots the shadow of a person approaching him from upstairs. As he struggles to get away from the shadowy figure, a door opens and the boxer Julius knocked out falls down dead in front of him, with two darts in his eyes. This was dumped and replaced in pickups with the sauna scene as it was deemed lousy (which it is). Too bad they couldn't get an extra who had a build that was anywhere near the original actor's! 55 seconds.

8. At 32:25, the scene of Colleen comforting Rennie after she has been rescued from drowning and before Charles shows up is extended. In the deleted exchange, Rennie confesses that the reason she doesn't want to go in the water is because she sees a young boy drowning who tries to pull her down with him. She says it started 8 years ago, after her parents passed away, when she used to spend summers at Crystal Lake with Uncle Charles. Colleen tells her that can't be because the only boy who drowned in that lake was Jason. 1 minute and 11 seconds.

9. At 39:05, Sean visits Rennie in her cabin in a completely-deleted scene. He asks her if she's alright. Rennie tells him she wants off the ship. Sean says he does too. He plans to have his father turn the ship back to port. This appears in between the scenes of Tamara being killed and of Admiral and Carlson being killed. 28 seconds.

10. At 41:52, Colleen knocks on Rennie's door in a completely-deleted scene. Charles answers it in a huff and angrily tells her to stay away from Rennie. Neither one of them knows where she even is. This appears in between the scenes of Rennie and Sean finding the Admiral's body and of Sean making the radio announcement (which Colleen and Charles hear over the speaker at the end of the scene). 29 seconds.

11. At 42:10, Sean and Rennie have a little lovers' spat in a deleted moment right after Sean makes the radio announcement and right before he tries to radio for help. Rennie goes to lower the anchors, to Sean's chagrin. 39 seconds.

12. At 60:07, Rennie has a panic attack climbing down the ladder and can't bring herself to get into the lifeboat. Colleen tries to offer her some moral support while Charles simply shouts at her. 42 seconds.

13. At 93:41, Little Jason comes out of Big Jason's mouth and cries for help in a positively laughable bit that is every bit as awful as everyone who worked on the picture thought it was. 12 seconds.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

I will never understand MPAA. Of course,1981 was tough year for any movie with little more blood that had to pass by censors. But,if i'm not mistaken,THE PROWLER was in theatres back in '80 or '81,and its definatly a LOT gorier then FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2(then again,who knows what exactly was originally shown in part 2). So why would they be such dkheads towards one movie,and let other one pass mostly uncut? I did heard that MPAA got a lot of crap for releasing first movie uncut,but still,they didn't have to be such acholes. I mentioned in my earlier posts here how similar thing happended between parts 4 and 5.

The MPAA is an inanimate object. They serve an important purpose but they are only as good or as bad as the person in charge of them. Unfortunately, for 20 years -- and for the first 9 "Friday" films -- they had a tyrant in charge of them, and so they were bad during that time. After he retired, they got better, and nowadays, if you get an "NC-17", you earned it. "Freddy vs. Jason" and the 2009 remake (both versions) received "R"s on first submission, so there you go. The original was not released unedited theatrically, as they were forced to remove 18 seconds for their "R" rating over the course of a reported half dozen submissions. But it wasn't enough for the tyrant. He didn't even want the cut that ultimately did go out to theaters to go out like that. He was trying to get every single frame of blood of the arrow through the throat removed, not just the overhead angle shot, by strong-arming the voting board, but he got overruled. So he made up for it on the sequels by being a royal pain in the you-know-where. And he used the complaints of his fellow ninnies, Siskel and Ebert, as vindication for how the voting board who overruled him was "wrong."

As for "The Prowler," we were fortunate in that case that the negative was never cut and American audiences were never saddled with the "R" rated cut on home video. I have no idea if Sandhurst even made the trims that they were asked to make, as I never saw it theatrically. For all I know, they didn't bother to. But the more things we get to see that Nanny Heffner didn't want us to see, the more I am happy.

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[–] Nick7080 12 years ago

First,once again thank you for all the help.

Part 8 is quite bad,so i decided to make uncut fanedit hoping that it would improve it.

Result? New,but not improved,2 hours long version.

And movie is not any better,just boring. Hell,i read that original cut was 2 and a half hours long,so i think i'll stick with my own. But i must admit,the way i edited two different death scenes of boxer guy is one of my most proudest editing jobs. One scene which i would like to see is uncut Psycho-style murder of Tamara.

"The MPAA is an inanimate object. They serve an important purpose but they are only as good or as bad as the person in charge of them."

Yeah,i heard that back in 80's Jack Valenti,who was in charge of MPAA,demanded that every movie which had little more violence had to be cut. And with all the help he get from critics such as Fatso and Skinny bching about violence in movies,he and his helpers often made even worser massacres with editing then any slasher would from group of teens.

O.K,if director says that he doesn't want too much violence in his movie,like Peckinpah did with WILD BUNCH,then that's fine. But if so many people worked hard on effects for some film only for scenes with their work to be cut out,then that's too much. FT13:NEW BLOOD is best example of it. Plus,sometimes MPAA demands are simply "incredible". I mean,40 minutes of footage cut from Friedkin's CRUISING? That's a bit too much.

But MPAA is not the only problem. Sometimes producers or studio wants some scenes to be cut,even if director wants them to stay in the movie. NIGHTHAWKS,one of my fave Stallone films,which i like to praise all over IMDb and Youtube,had both that and MPAA censorship problems,resulting in very badly cut movie.

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

Here are my notes on Part 3. I don't know what the MPAA asked to be changed on this one but it was reported that they got their "R" on its second submission and that the trims were very minor. (I suspect the board asked them to trim the shot of dead Vera lying in the water as that shot looks to me to be 2 seconds shorter than it should be and there is a jittery splice going from that to the next shot. Some of the gore shots afterwards could have been held a little longer, and probably were in earlier cuts, but it plays fine overall. It isn't a hackjob like Part 2.) However, a Fangoria article from 1982 (Issue #22, quoted below) stated that they didn't submit a cut that was as graphic as they wanted it to be because of Miner's headaches dealing with Heffner on Part 2. Also, they shot some FX work that they didn't use. David Katims stated in an interview, "in my death scene they shot much more graphic violent shots of my face burned from the electrocution that didn't end up in the film. I don't exactly know why as they didn't shy away from violence. I went through a long make-up session and seemingly for not, as they didn't use that footage." Miner also shot at least two scenes that he scrapped. In the first, Abel the derelict bumps into Chris and Rick on their nature hike and warns them to leave. In the second, Chris wakes up in the canoe and hears Rick calling to her from inside the cabin in a nightmare sequence. She rushes over and when she opens the door, Jason is there and slices her head clean off. The latter was replaced with the poorly-done xerox copy of the canoe scene from the original, as the beheading scene was deemed to be too downbeat.

Fangoria article:
"Some of the most gruesome sequences were trimmed by the makers of the picture to avoid difficulties with the MPAA further down the road. Recalling problems with the first sequel, the hot poker and spear scenes were cut to make them somewhat less graphic. In the latter scene, one of the most dramatic 3D bits in the picture, the unstoppable Jason fires a spear gun some 100 to 150 feet away from the camera and the viewer can see the spear coming at him for the entire distance. The spear then lodges itself in Vera’s eye. According to [Doug] White, 'They did a side shot of her taking a reaction upon impact and falling back into the water, and then they cut to her turning sideways with the tip of the spear coming toward the camera for the 3D effect. But they cut out the reaction because they said it looked too good.' As a result of this and similar cuts, once the picture was delivered to the MPAA, director Steve Miner only had to go back to the editing bench once as opposed to the eight [submissions] required by the ratings board on 'Friday the 13th Part II'."

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[–] stanleyhetz 12 years ago

The MPAA is an inanimate object. They serve an important purpose but they are only as good or as bad as the person in charge of them. Unfortunately, for 20 years -- and for the first 9 "Friday" films -- they had a tyrant in charge of them, and so they were bad during that time. After he retired, they got better, and nowadays, if you get an "NC-17", you earned it.

I have no use for the MPAA.

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[–] shred-com 12 years ago

On part 3
Vera, Andy, Chili and Debbie's death scenes were all cut a little by the MPAA.

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[–] PyleaPortal 12 years ago

I was wondering why the camera kept cutting away when someone was killed. You barely saw anyone be killed, just the aftermath. It's lame.

Is there an uncut version

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 12 years ago

I have no use for the MPAA.

Do you want a cookie?

Finally, here are my (extremely long) notes on "The New Blood." And that's all she wrote.

The Deluxe Edition DVD contains 80 seconds of MPAA trims (61 seconds of gore, 19 seconds of sex). However, 21 of those 61 seconds is the sleeping bag kill, which just doesn't work in the extended version. And John Carl Buechler says so. It's actually far more effective in the theatrical cut. Buechler also notes in the commentary that he would have tightened up the Susan Blu scene. So figure not all of these 80 seconds would have been included. Perhaps 60 seconds would have been.

William Butler (Michael) - 9 seconds trimmed
1. At 20:48 - the shot of spike in back is 1 second longer, showing him fall to the ground
2. At 20:48 - a 5 second shot, completely removed from the theatrical, shows him writhing on the ground and trying to get away. This is filmed from Jason's POV. This shot is preceded by a 1 second shot of Jason that was removed with it.
3. At 20:57 - the close-up of his face after being hoisted is 2 seconds longer, showing him spitting up blood

Michael Schroeder (Dan) - 3 seconds trimmed
1. At 26:58 - the shot of the hand going through the body is 1 second longer
2. At 27:01 - the shot of the body hitting the ground is 2 seconds longer

Debora Kessler (Judy) - 21 seconds trimmed
1. At 28:02 - a 20 second section of the slamming is removed, removing 4 shots in their entirety and the tail end and tail beginning of the 2 shots left in the theatrical. Jason slams her into the tree six times instead of once. After a couple slams, the picture switches to slow-mo. How arty.
2. At 28:04 - the shot of her bloodied face hitting the ground is 1 second longer

Larry Cox (Russell) - 5 seconds trimmed
1. At 37:19 - the impact shot is 1 second longer, revealing the wound
2. At 37:21 - a 2 second shot, completely removed from the theatrical, shows his wound very clearly as he spasms on the ground. In the theatrical, this is replaced with a shot of Jason running the same length.
3. At 37:25 - a 1 second shot, another close-up of the wound, is completed removed from the theatrical

Craig Thomas (Ben) - 10 seconds trimmed
1. At 52:47 - the shot of the blood streaming down the face lasts 2 seconds longer
2. At 52:49 - two 4 second shots (one from a side angle, the next from the front), completely removed from the theatrical, show the head being crushed into a pulp as the "juice" squirts out.

Diana Almeida (Kate) - 3 seconds trimmed
1. At 53:20
- the shot is 3 seconds longer, showing the blood after Jason pulls his hand away and then her head dropping down

Jon Renfield (David)/Elizabeth Kaitan (Robin) sex scene - 19 seconds trimmed
1. At 54:17 - 19 seconds removed from the beginning of the shot, showing them humping

Jon Renfield (David) - 2 seconds trimmed
1. At 57:32 - the shot of the knife going in is 1 second longer
2. At 57:35 - the shot of him on the ground is 1 second longer

Jeff Bennett (Eddie) - 1 second trimmed
1. At 60:47 - a 1 second shot, completely removed from the theatrical, shows Jason throwing him off the chair with the machete

Susan Blu (Mrs. Shepard) - 8 seconds trimmed
1. At 67:01 - the shot of Jason stabbing her is 2 seconds longer
2. At 67:01 - a 2 second section, comprised of 3 shots all completely removed from the theatrical, show the sickle exiting her body. The first is a close-up of her blouse. Then a shot of Jason as he gives it one mighty thrust. Then the last is a shot of the bloodied sickle coming out of her blouse.
3. At 67:02 - a 4 second shot, completely removed from the theatrical, shows her dying on the sickle

Terry Kiser (Dr. Crews) - 2 seconds trimmed
1. At 71:06 - the shot of the weed whacker in his gut is 2 seconds longer and shows some blood

Susan Jennifer Sullivan (Melissa) - 1/3 of a second trimmed
1. At 76:58 - a shot, completely removed from the theatrical, shows the axe hit her face head-on. Buechler wasn't kidding when he told Fangoria that it lasts 7 frames. It lasts 8 by my count.

The DVD also contains 10 trims, totalling 6:19, that Buechler removed of his own volition. There are 4 deleted scenes, 2 of which were replaced with reshoots.

1. At 8:30, after Melissa says, "There goes the neighborhood" there is an extra shot in which Sandra replies, "Melissa, you are such a bitch." 3 seconds

2. At 16:49, the scene of Michael and Jane dealing with their broken-down car is extended. After their exchange about oil, the scene continues with them attempting to flag down a passing car for help. The car doesn't stop and Michael curses the driver out. Cut to inside the car and it's Dan (driving) and Judy (passenger), which would have been the audience's introduction to them. She asks him why he didn't stop and he says he's on vacation. 26 seconds

3. At 21:49, a scene is extended. Right before Robin and Maddy have the conversation about ID, Eddie walks up to Russell and tells him he's in love with Melissa. Russell laughs at him because Melissa is rich and out of his league. Eddie says the same inane line about being rejected by some of the finest science fiction magazines that he later says in the final cut. 29 seconds of picture, 26 seconds of audio (the last 3 seconds -- Robin's line, "So he goes, 'Let me see your ID'" -- is overdubbed onto the exterior shot in the final cut.)

4. At 28:06, a completely-deleted scene shows Nick trying to talk to Tina in the woods. She snaps at him to leave her alone. He won't take no for an answer and tags along with her anyway. 46 seconds

5. At 28:54, the scene of Nick and Tina in the woods that made it to the final cut is extended. Right before he tosses pebbles into the lake, he continues trying to hit on her with this slick come-on, "You have a nice butt." 14 seconds

6. At 46:05, a completely-deleted scene shows David teaching Robin how to smoke pot in the barn. "Sexy" Maddy busts in looking for David, demands to know what they're doing, and Robin laughs at her and tells David they should go somewhere where there's privacy. Robin leaves her joint with Maddy on her way out. Maddy takes a toke and coughs up a lung before Jason barges in. This scene was dumped and replaced with the scene of Maddy losing her earring and Russell's body falling down in front of her. 1 minute and 34 seconds

7. At 49:56 (I think), the scene of Dr. Crews and Mrs. Shepard in the car is extended. Mrs. Shepard says, "If anything happens to Tina." 11 seconds

8. At 61:05, after Robin puts her top back on, the rest of the scene in which she is killed is different. Robin thinks David is behind the bedroom door and asks, "So what did you bring me?" Jason barges in holding David's head, which he throws at her before cornering her and chopping her in the gut with the machete. This was replaced in pickups with her being thrown out the window because they weren't happy with the effect. (Like the FX work in the reshoot was any better.) 1 minute and 3 seconds

9. At 83:52, some extra shots show Tina's zombie father popping back out through the pier looking freshly showered and groomed. 9 seconds

10. At 85:04, after Tina and Nick are taken away in the ambulance, a completely-deleted ending scene shows a fisherman in the lake getting a nibble. He reels in his catch, a nice plump fish, right before an unseen arm hooks him around the neck and drags him underwater. 1 minute and 24 seconds

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[–] stanleyhetz 12 years ago

Do you want a cookie?

Nope. I want cold hard cash.

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[–] Captain_film 12 years ago

To hell with MPAA. They have ruined so many good peices of art, just like the Nazi's did in WWII. Book burnings, film bannings, blacklistings....
They only thing I feel good about is that the idiots that cencored Part V are probably dead by now. Good riddance, I would piss on their graves but I'm afraid that some electric current will accidently hit my stream and the censors will be re-activated like in Part VI.

Licensed to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations.

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[–] stanleyhetz 12 years ago

To hell with MPAA. They have ruined so many good peices of art, just like the Nazi's did in WWII. Book burnings, film bannings, blacklistings....
They only thing I feel good about is that the idiots that cencored Part V are probably dead by now. Good riddance, I would piss on their graves but I'm afraid that some electric current will accidently hit my stream and the censors will be re-activated like in Part VI.

The first paragraph gets a from me. The second paragraph made me

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[–] Captain_film 12 years ago

haha right on man.

Licensed to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations.

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[–] HaddonfieldMemorial 12 years ago

I actually love this thread but as for the fan edits only part 7 is worth having and even a fan edit of part 4 isn't really accurate it's basically just the "outtakes" added in and called "uncut".

I've done extensive research on the MPAA's cuts to horror films, in particular, 80s slasher films and it looks to me like if you have 5 or 6 graphic deaths on screen they were less harsh on your film. These films have deaths in the double digits and even higher, way past 20 with some of the Friday the 13th sequels and this series does try to push the envelope with what they can and cannot get away. Not just death-wise but nudity and drug use too. And the MPAA from what I've researched have a problem with murder immediately after sex too which is what this series is notorious for too so that's a huge strike against these movies. Take the original Friday the 13th it's easy to forget that only 5 deaths happen on screen. In part two every death was on screen except for one and that was Kirsten's death.

What the MPAA didn't count on was the emergence of home video to come along with the ability to pause or put the movie in slow motion at home. That's all that some of these deaths need in order to see them fully uncut or as close as possible. Sure, we can't do anything about the double impalement scene in part 2 or Ethel's death in part 5 or Ben, Russell's and Dr. Crew's death in part 7 but just about every death scene should be put in slow motion or paused a few times until you see more than you're supposed to. Take the sleeping bag death just hit rewind right when he slams her and do it 6 times, you're welcome, it's uncut now. Or Kate's death, right when we see the party favor start hitting pause until you see the gorey results. Also, the dream sequence of Michael in Tina's vision shows the extra blood coming out of his mouth and we also see Tina's mom being killed in another one of her visions by Jason so her death scene is technically uncut especially if you pause that scene and zoom in and see the spear coming out of her.

Bottom-line, if you own the Deluxe Editions you can make your own "uncut" versions using Windows Movie Maker or similar devices and if you have a pc that has a DVD burner there you go, enjoy! lol. That seems to be the way to go but after all it's just a few seconds. Harry Manfredini said that he's seen the uncut versions of all the movies because he had to score them and said they're not that impressive and quite ridiculous but at the same time he's not a fan so it's not as important to him as it would be to us and nobody's work should be censored but until Paramount either sells the rights or finally decides to give fans what they've been asking for for a long time this is the only way to watch these movies. It's easy to blame the MPAA but what's done is done they played their part but if you ask me Paramount is the real enemy. All they have to do is go to the MPAA that keeps a copy of the films they screen and ask for the original uncut negatives back, clean them up and release them there's no effort at all on their part to do it either just make a few calls and let the directors oversee the process. Viola!

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[–] LoneWolfAttack 11 years ago

Heffner's hangups were blood spurting out of wounds, dismembered body parts, victims being struck in the face with sharp objects (he forced out entire shots in "A New Beginning" and "Happy Birthday to Me" because of that) and beating hearts that weren't in their bodies. Unless you were Spielberg and then you could show whatever and get a "PG" and then an entire new ratings category created just for you. Everyone else of course got an "X" for the same thing.

Heffner didn't care how many people were killed on-screen. All he needed was one thing that bothered him to rubber stamp a picture with the "X". A lot depended on how good the special FX work was, or if he found out a lot of time and money was spent on it. Everything was political and vindictive (he particularly hated the "Friday the 13th" series and anything with Wes Craven's name on it), so getting to purposefully screw a production in which most of the budget went towards the special effects was a big plus. (It costs a lot of money to do recuts, certainly if you had to submit a picture a half dozen times or more - as horror filmmakers often had to with him - and that's not including the resubmission fee.) He was far more lenient when the FX work wasn't good or when the blood was static.

And CARA does not maintain prints of films. They return everything to you when you are done with them. It was Paramount's job to maintain these things, not theirs.

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[–] HaddonfieldMemorial 11 years ago

I'm not so sure I agree with you on everything but watch every slasher from 1981, that year seemed to be the best year for the genre, and most of the horror films released that year were cut most notoriously is My Bloody Valentine there's usually about 10 or so deaths in those movies. I agree that the Friday the 13th films received the brunt of the attacks by the MPAA and Paramount films in particular which is no coincidence.

I do think body-count did come into play. The MPAA does make copies of the films they screen, they say so in This Film Is Not Yet Rated which is about the MPAA but they don't touch on horror films being cut which was a bit of a disappointment but it's a good documentary to check out if you haven't already. Heffner didn't come off so badly in it. Jack Valenti was the prime target in that documentary.

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[–] DJ-Chojin 11 years ago

the brit version is uncut now but i dont know if its uncut version of the US R or US uncut

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[–] leopold622002 10 years ago

Right on, HaddonfieldMemorial!

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[–] leopold622002 10 years ago

Right on, HaddonfieldMemorial!

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I don't know. Try movie-censorship.com. They have lots of info on stuff that got cut from movies.

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[–] Cognoscente (2662) 4 years ago

That site is my favourite rabbit hole.

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