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Was the party over thrown in the end?


I have read the book and seen the movie, I know this is not answered. It is more of an opinion question. I would like to think that in the end the proles woke up and brought the party down. However, the party seemed in invincible and all powerful. It is hard to see them ever being overthrown.

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Was the party over thrown in the end?

No.
But Soviet Union, which inspired Orwell, was.
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He drew some inspiration from Russia, but it's wasn't just about them.

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Even the very bleak 1984 NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR film finks out a bit at the very end. In the novel, it is unambiguous that Winston Smith no longer loves Julia but indeed loves Big Brother: a testimony to the power of the Party and its techniques and a hint that they will rule for the foreseeable future.

However, the " THE END" at the end of the story of Winston and Julia and O'Brien isn't the end of the book of Nineteen Eighty-Four. Orwell adds an Appendix, "The Principles of Newspeak," which begins, "Newspeak was the official language of Oceania and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of Ingsoc, or English Socialism." That's a past tense, implying that the analysis of Newspeak was written in the future, looking back on the rule of Ingsoc and the Party and Big Brother. Since such an analysis could not be written under the rule of the Party, this can be taken as a hint that in some future the Party had been overthrown and critical thinking was again possible.

Or not. Anyway, if there's any hope, it does lie in the Proles and decency and in this bit of a hint in the Appendix. Take it or leave it. That is where we get to have different opinions, although I'd say it's less a matter of opinion than how we feel about hope and human nature.

Best bet: never let fascism take over, not the forms under Hitler or Stalin or Mao or Mussolini or the "ethno-nationalism" being pushed in the USA, Russia, and parts of Europe even as I write.

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Orwell adds an Appendix, "The Principles of Newspeak," which begins, "Newspeak was the official language of Oceania and had been devised to meet the ideological needs of Ingsoc, or English Socialism." That's a past tense, implying that the analysis of Newspeak was written in the future, looking back on the rule of Ingsoc and the Party and Big Brother.
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I've heard this debated about. But traditionally in English, past tense is used for narrative, not necessarily to imply that the events are "past". Some languages have a special tense for narrative, but English isn't one of them. After all, the whole novel is written in past tense even though it is set 36 years in Orwell's future!

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You wrote your comment before Trump got in, and as I see it, your concerns should be everyone's, especially now. What's more, with the right-wing elements on the rise, things are looking grim. When will we ever learn? Or do we have to be fascist in order to eliminate fascists?

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with the right-wing elements on the rise, things are looking grim

Leftist fascism is just as bad, from its political correctness to the really scummy post-election anti-Trumpers parading with their vicious signs against Trump voters that read, "Your vote was a hate crime!" The Left needs as much policing as does the Right.

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The novel ends with him writing 2 + 2 = 5.

I'd like to think in reality a truly totalitarian state such as this would struggle to last any serious length of time. But then there's North Korea.

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