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The most offensive inaccuracy in the movie...


Was making Mozart a freaking alcoholic. Wow, what a dick move on the filmmakers' part. I don't mind the other "inaccuracies", but that's sort of a big thing to make up about someone. If the real Mozart were watching it he'd be like "WTF did I ever do to deserve this?". Luckily I don't think that part of the movie has stuck with people as much as some of the other characterizations, but seriously, it's a pretty big deal to turn Mozart into a drunk for no reason. They even made it look like it was what killed him!

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I still think the biggest fallacy in the movie was that he spoke only Americanised English behind closed doors, let alone English WITHOUT ANY ACCCENT.


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How about Salieri as irredeemable villain?

"Even with Mozart and Salieri being rivals for certain jobs, there is very little evidence that the relationship between the two composers was at all acrimonious beyond this, especially after 1785 or so when Mozart had become established in Vienna. Rather, they appeared to usually see each other as friends and colleagues and supported each other's work. For example, when Salieri was appointed Kapellmeister in 1788 he revived Figaro instead of bringing out a new opera of his own; and when he went to the coronation festivities for Leopold II in 1790 he had no fewer than three Mozart masses in his luggage.

Salieri and Mozart even composed a cantata for voice and piano together, called Per la ricuperata salute di Ophelia, which celebrated the return to stage of the singer Nancy Storace. This work has been lost, although it had been printed by Artaria in 1785. Mozart's Davide penitente (1785), his Piano Concerto KV 482 (1785), the Clarinet Quintet (1789) and the 40th Symphony (1788) had been premiered on the suggestion of Salieri, who supposedly conducted a performance of it in 1791.

In his last surviving letter from 14 October 1791, Mozart tells his wife that he collected Salieri and Caterina Cavalieri in his carriage and drove them both to the opera; about Salieri's attendance at his opera The Magic Flute, speaking enthusiastically: "He heard and saw with all his attention, and from the overture to the last choir there was not a piece that didn't elicit a 'Bravo!' or 'Bello!' out of him."

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As someone who had an uncle who lost his wife and family because of alcoholism I can empathize with your concern. Alcoholism certainly does nothing good to the creative process.
God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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Actually Mozart did drink almost to excess, that's one of the items the film did get right. Mozart may have wanted to be an independent artist but, unlike Ludwig, he was far too needy for that. The Austrian court was dominated by Italian culture, Mozart acquiescence to that by hiring Italian librettists to put lyrics to some of his operas. Salieri was part of that culture but it's never been proven that acrimony existed between the two.

Salieri did travel to Prague to take in the premiere of Don Giovanni and would later direct the opera. Briefly Salieri was also Ludwig's tutor before Haydn replaced him. From both tutors Ludwig received a good grounding in Mozart's work. Beethoven as a concert performer championed Mozart's piano music when not performing his own. Before his deafness made performing prohibitive, Ludwig did a great deal in establishing Mozart's legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1_vm0FMAU

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Well, at least Mozart had a good drinking partner in the great Michael Haydn.
God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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it's a masonist movie, they claim innocence

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As has been pointed out, this is not intended as an historical work or a reliable biography. It uses the historical figure of Mozart, perhaps mankind's preeminent prodigal genius, as an allegorical figure to explore the film's central theme, which is jealousy.

Salieri's recounting of Mozart's life, even within the context of an a-historical account, is best understood as a misrepresentation to accentuate the negatives. It's Salieri as unreliable historian and narrator, blinded by prejudice, ultimately maddened by his own inadequacy, and guilt-ridden (and hence desiring mitigation) in his attempts to subdue the genius in Mozart which was everything he himself desired.

In real life, it was more likely Mozart who was jealous of Salieri, given the favours (at least this is how Mozart saw it) of the court to Italians. By all accounts, their relationship was perfectly cordial, however.

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The movie was a joke and great fun. The only thing accurate is the name of the characters, and Mozart drinking is the thing you pick up on?

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If someone wanted to make an accurate movie about Mozart and include his death...while no one knows for sure what exactly killed Mozart, the current theory is that he died from trichinosis from eating tainted pork. Trichinosis is a really gross way to die, and I for one am just as happy to not watch that! :-P

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Well I (the OP) am glad people are at least citing the fact that it's from Salieri's unreliable point of view, which I think is a great way to creatively explain any historical inaccuracies, and it's what makes the film great. The only thing I was trying to originally say is that it's a bit harsh to FICTIONALLY kill off the world's greatest composer with alcohol. The dude was just unhealthy his whole life and it finally did him in, it wasn't his fault. I don't mind the laugh or other stuff, but the film makes it looks like he made himself go overboard, which I think is sad because it wasn't the case (sorry, there is NO evidence he was drank any more than his peers). I guess that was the point of the drama though.

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but the film makes it looks like he made himself go overboard


Did it? I thought it made it look like Salieri drove him to it by torturing him with the idea that his father was reaching out to him beyond the grave.

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