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The most offensive inaccuracy in the movie...


Was making Mozart a freaking alcoholic. Wow, what a dick move on the filmmakers' part. I don't mind the other "inaccuracies", but that's sort of a big thing to make up about someone. If the real Mozart were watching it he'd be like "WTF did I ever do to deserve this?". Luckily I don't think that part of the movie has stuck with people as much as some of the other characterizations, but seriously, it's a pretty big deal to turn Mozart into a drunk for no reason. They even made it look like it was what killed him!

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Honestly I think giving Mozart that brutal, nauseating laugh was infinitely more offensive.

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The whole film was so riddled with inaccuracies I do not really see the point , except to make a big pile of money obviously. It didn't even feature some of his greatest music.

Gordon P. Clarkson

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...are you kidding? A good portion of Mozart's best music is in this film.

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The whole film was so riddled with inaccuracies....
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Does that really matter though? No-one really knows what the true and real life accurate relationship of Mozart and Salieri was like. The film was made to entertain and to showcase some splendid music, was rich in presentation and period detail, had a sharp and clever script and wonderful acting to bring it all alive.

I was 17 when this was released, didn't know much about Mozart's music or life, had never heard of Salieri and knew that what was presented, wasn't accurate. I didn't care and went back the next day after work, to see it all over again. Even later, when I was older, I very rarely saw a film twice at the cinema within the space of 24hrs.

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that laugh was real.

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Do you honestly think they were going for the most accurate movie to Mozart as possible?

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A lot of people who watch this film fall into the trap of thinking [a] it's a biopic and [b] it's about Mozart. If it were these things then yes, it would fall very short of its aims and the (undeniably exaggerated) portrayal of Mozart would be wildly unwarranted.

However, it's a work of fiction and the focus is on Salieri and his struggle to come to terms with someone so much better than him at the one thing he's devoted his entire life to. It was necessary to "vilify" Mozart somewhat to hammer home the point of Salieri's plight. If Mozart had been an upstanding gentleman then we'd have no (or, at least, much less) sympathy for Salieri.

It's open to interpretation, of course, but for me that's the point of the film, and it's a story that we all face in our lives, probably many times. In fact, I bet someone comes on this board and writes a much better explanation of the film than me, and then I will be the Salieri :(

(I suppose you could still say it wasn't necessary to give him that annoying laugh or make him an actual alcoholic)

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An accurate biopic of Mozart would have been fascinating . Truth as so often , is more interesting than fiction.

Gordon P. Clarkson

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Then you're hating on a movie from your own expectations. Ever heard of judging a film by it's own merits?

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I should have added in my original post that I love this movie and don't even mind most of the historical inaccuracies. This wasn't supposed to be another "this movie sucks because it doesn't get the facts right" thread, even though you guys are treating it like that. I was mainly pointing the particular jump in reality of making Mozart an alcoholic, and how that crosses the line more than other inaccuracies.

Do you honestly think they were going for the most accurate movie to Mozart as possible?


Not at all, but do you even understand the difference between having a few inaccurate things and falsely portraying someone having a serious condition? Imagine if they had just decided to make Ghandi an alcoholic in the movie Ghandi, it would be the same thing. There's as much evidence as Ghandi being an alcoholic as there is Mozart being an alcoholic

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Why not an accurate biopic ? Mozart's life and , obviously, his career was fascinating . Why make up or distort facts ?, if film-makers are going to do so they may as well dispense with the truth entirely.

Gordon P. Clarkson

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That isn't what the movie is going for. That's what you wanted from the movie. It's a work of fiction. It isn't concerned with telling the truth as it is a character study for Saleri and Mozart through a fictional story. I don't get what you don't see here.

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I was mainly pointing the particular jump in reality of making Mozart an alcoholic, and how that crosses the line more than other inaccuracies.


Yes but you have to take into account that this work is based on the (fictional) account of Mozart's nemesis. Of course he'd paint Mozart in the worst possible light - it makes him feel better about his petty jealousies.

Imagine if they had just decided to make Ghandi an alcoholic in the movie Ghandi, it would be the same thing.


Well it would depend on whether the movie was setting itself up as being based on fact, or whether it, too, was a fictional account that was being told from the point of view of someone who didn't like the man.

I think the film-makers, in this instance, were crediting its audience with enough intelligence to be able to work out that this was not a biography.

If we can work out that Salieri and Mozart were not, in reality, enemies; that Salieri didn't actually cause Mozart's death, then I think we can also take with a grain of salt, Salieri's unflattering description of the man - including the alcoholism.



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Yes, and I think people need to keep in mind that it is Salieri giving the narration. Not only will he vilify Mozart, he'll also try to make him look like some offensive fool with a goofy laugh who was unworthy of the great talent which was bestowed upon him.

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You know, I hate every single movie that takes historical characters and adds, deletes, or changes key aspects of their lives. Well, every single one except this one. For some reason, one of my biggest pet peeves in historical movies doesn't bother me at all in Amadeus. I think this film is fantastic and one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. I guess that may be because almost everything in this film is clearly fiction; the filmmakers didn't want you to actually believe that Salieri was insanely jealous of Mozart or that he wanted to kill him. Although I know nothing about the original play by Pushkin, I imagine he wanted to create a very personal human drama that the viewers could relate to with well known historical figures they would recognize. Similar, I suppose, to some of Shakespeare's historical plays.


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Many incidents in the movie are documented in MOZART: HIS CHARACTER, HIS WORK by Alfred Einstein, Oxford University Press, 1945.) (Translated into English by Arthur Mendel and Nathan Broder.)

Your question is flawed for several reasons: Was Mozart alcoholic as the movie depicted? First, the movie really didn't depict him as 'alcoholic' that is one beset with addiction to alcohol. It did show him drinking alcohol heavily. Keep in mind, alcohol in those days was much more alcoholic than it is today. wine was also very sweet. Also Mozart was a small man, so any kind of drinking 'spirits' would affect him more than a larger person. And depending on what he ate, depending on his diet, alcohol would affect him differently than a person on a full stomach.

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Your question is flawed for several reasons: Was Mozart alcoholic as the movie depicted? First, the movie really didn't depict him as 'alcoholic' that is one beset with addiction to alcohol. It did show him drinking alcohol heavily.


That's just "playing dumb" by being too technical/literal about what was shown. Be real, OF COURSE he was depicted as an alcoholic in the movie. It's not like they're gonna outright state it in the movie but it's clearly what the filmmakers wanted to show us.

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We cannot give a 'modern' reading to alcohol addiction. That is a fairly new designation for an old problem. People recognized problem drinking way back when--Hogarth was just one artist who recognized the existence of problem drinking and problem behavior which could be attributed to alcohol usage. So calling Mozart an 'alcoholic' in the movie would have been an anachronism; they did depict him drinking, and stumbling around presumably drunk. And by modern standards, he may even have been 'alcoholic'--but we would be not really capable of determining the level of addiction he suffered from, much less give a modern name to problem drinking in Mozart's day.

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Someone made this observation in another post, so I can't claim it as my own:

This is Mozart's biography according to Salieri... that is, an older Salieri confined to an insane asylum, whose mind is addled and memories are fading and confused.

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The very use of the term 'alcoholic' is anachronistic in this context. I imagine that drinking was so common an activity at this period in history as a way of escaping the sufferings of life etc. that it was more socially acceptable than perhaps today. In any case I seem to recall from my earlier readings into the life of Mozart that he did often abuse alcohol as a way of mitigating the pain associated with his renal failure, from which he suffered since childhood.

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"An alcoholic is someone who drinks more than I do" -

there seems to be a bit of that going on in this thread, along with the modern idea that anyone who has so much as a glass of wine with their midday meal has a drinking problem.

Besides, people drank more back then because the water was unlikely to be safe; keeping to alcohol was a good way of not getting poisoned.

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Besides, people drank more back then because the water was unlikely to be safe; keeping to alcohol was a good way of not getting poisoned.


There is, in fact, a letter from Queen Elizabeth (wife of Henry VII, not her granddaughter, Elizabeth I) to Isabel of Castile. It's in reference to Isabel's daughter, Catalina (Catherine of Aragon) arriving in England to marry Elizabeth's oldest son, Arthur. In the letter, she suggests that Isabel accustom Catalina to drinking beer, because you shouldn't drink the water in England.

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Is it not true that he was a heavy drinker? And alcohol wasn't the killer... it was his obsession with the opera he was writing. He was over-worked.

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Amadeus was made with great care...for a movie about a composer. Anybody ever seen April Blossoms, Night and Day, Song of Love?

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