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AIDS would change it a lot (for the worse)


This came out before AIDS was worldfamous and it shows.

Louis has no trouble accepting a whore and falling in love with her.
Her house is seen as cozy and safe instead of sleazy or a virus hotbed.

How different would it play if set in 1989, to match a rich preppy with a hooker he met in jail?
I think he would throw up at the very first kiss, and never want to be that close to her. Or she would just have a different job for the story to work.

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Judging by your description, I’m just glad the writers weren’t pussies like they are today! This movie would’ve sucked with your thoughts!

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Pussies?
I doubt treating with respect and fear a deadly virus has got anything to do with being a pussy.
Nor writing it the way it is has anything to do with not being a pussy.
In 83 they simply had no notion of AIDS ridden whores.

Did you even understand the OP?
I'm not proposing for it to be set in 89, I just notice its very openminded and liberal attitude of 83 for a situation that a few years later would become quite problematic.

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I understood the OP perfectly. My point is that you are illustrating beautifully why comedy is officially dead. Why can’t people like you just watch a movie without wanting to turn it into some woke PSA?

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You clearly are not able to read.
I couldn't give a fuck less of wokeness and such idiocy.
Where in my OP have I hinted of how better it would be including some sensitive take on AIDS?
Learn how to read.

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I guess you have never heard of "Pretty Woman" (1990). https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100405/
"The film's story centers on down-on-her-luck Hollywood prostitute Vivian Ward and wealthy businessman Edward Lewis. Vivian is hired to be Edward's escort for several business and social functions, and their relationship develops over the course of her week-long stay with him."

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In Pretty Woman it was clearly stated, ad nauseam, that it was her FIRST trick.
She was barely a hooker in that one.
And she certainly was a very Cinderella one.
Contrast that with Penelope, who is clearly doing everything that her job entails, is even in jail, and has an established clientele showing up at all times at her door.

There is no pretension here that she is having sex for money, and that she likes it.

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Penelope was the wealthy fiance. Ophelia was the prostitute.

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Ooops, sorry, my bad.
I meant Ophelia.
I've only seen this movie 47 times. I guess that was not enough to not fuckup:-)

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No it wasn't. There is a line in there somewhere about having a regular clientele. That's the way I remember it anyway.

Edit:
VIVIAN
I cried the whole time. But then I got some regulars and,
you know... It's not like anybody plans this. It's not your
childhood dream.
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Pretty-Woman-(final-script).html

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I certainly don't remember that one in the MOVIE.
Where, as a matter of fact, it is stated that her friend is the pro, and she is starting.

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🙂

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I'm pretty sure AIDS was big news before this film came out summer 1983. Perhaps not so much during the writing/filming. It was a cover story in Newsweek or Time.

Eddie Murphy had the joke in "Delirious" about AIDS "what's next, you put your dick in it and it explodes?"

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I don't think 1983 is considered AIDS era.
Even if the notion of it was starting to emerge, I think it was still seen as gay cancer or something remote that some drug user might get.
Certainly not an epidemic of worldwide proportions. Kinda like sars, not our problem.

And like you said, while writing this film it was definitely not a present concern.

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"How different would it play if set in 1989, to show a rich preppy with a hooker he met in jail?"

I mean just a year later in 1990 we got exactly that with the movie "Pretty Woman" which glamorized the story of a rich yuppie falling in love with a hooker. It was a huge hit at the box office, made Julia Roberts a star & left its mark on pop culture for the entire decade. So it would seem that the trend of that time was rather the opposite of your premise.

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Again with this Pretty Woman bullshit?
I already replied to this brilliant retort, read above.
Ophelia is a whore fresh out of jail, she lives off whoring.
Vivian not even admitted to being one, and was just starting.
Apples to oranges.

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Your reply falls flat, Pretty Woman is the perfect counter to your argument. You're just wanting to type the word 'whore' for no good reason.

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What?!?!? Good enough her job being it?

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Yeah, and Dan would be dead from accidentally ingesting a small amount of fentanyl while trying to plant drugs in Eddie's desk.

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There are countless movies since the release of this film, where male lead A ends up meeting, greeting, one night-stand or fling or meets at bar and has sex etc. etc. etc. with female lead. This goes on throughout the decades following the AIDS epidemic. It doesn't matter if she was a hooker, plenty of non-hookers have transmitted the disease.

From History (https://www.history.com/topics/1980s/history-of-aids):

In September of 1982, the CDC used the term AIDS to describe the disease for the first time.

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I am not sure how can you compare a hooker to a one night stand.
Like a bazooka to a water gun.
And also, in the OP I stressed how she is casually matched to a preppy snob millionaire, who is not even remotely disgusted or disturbed by the thought.
So it's an even bigger strech to buy.

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That didn't seem to affect movies like 9 and 1/2weeks, Robocop and Pretty Woman though. The mid and late 80s featured dozens of Blockbusters featuring cheap Hookers.

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Other than Pretty Woman, which we already discussed enough on this thread, the other movies feature nothing about falling in love with a prostitute as a normal deal.

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Look at Pretty Woman made in 1990, AIDS very well know by then. Rich guy has no issue being with her, falling in love with her. Her job really only glossed over in the film.

They make it what they want it to be to suit the film.

In other films the whore is more down beat, more of a desperate loser. It just depends on what they are going for.

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Pretty Woman you say?
Well, that has not been discussed at all here, let me think about it now....

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Yes grumble bum you be all grumpy. Just because you are hearing things that don't suit your case.

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I was about to say same as Mustang.

thats just how hookers are on TV
its not pre and post AIDS ,
its On screen vs Off screen

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