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Mysterious American Man in the meeting with the drug lords


I really liked the Oliver Stone touch of including a man "from Washington" in the meeting between all the drug lords. Was it implied that he was with the CIA or State Department, or just some random crooked politician or lobbyist? I find it interesting that even in 1983 there was deep distrust in the US government possibly being involved in the drug trade to some extent.

That said, it is strange that if the reporter was on the CIA's hit-list, why did they have to rely on a low level gangster like Tony to do their killing for them? Is that typically now they do extrajudicial killings, by using some lowlife as a proxy to keep their own hands clean?

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I don't really know what you're talking about, but distrust of the American government has been going on since Nixon, and probably even before that.

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I think it was a chain that began with the fall of Cuba actually... Bay of Pigs fiasco, the JFK assassination, the suspicious Warren Commission meetings etc that really shook American faith in their government like nothing since before WW2. Johnson, Nixon, the impeachment, Ford and the Pardons, etc. just exacerbated it. We didn't have an alternative media back then to report on deeper corruption too much outside of the occasional scandal, but I think a lot of Americans suspected widespread government corruption only articulated by people considered at the time to be on the fringe like Lyndon Larouche.

The presence of the crooked Washington Bureaucrat with a bunch of drug lords and corrupt Bolivian politicians I think must have been most inspired by the whole "Air America" Laos/Cambodia opium running that the U.S. government was shadily involved with in 1969-1973 (though I don't think it turned into any major scandal, even though plenty of people knew about it).

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Every time I see Scarface, I wish they had gotten Jerry Zeismer, who was "Jerry", the sinister CIA agent from Apocalypse Now, to play that role.

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strangely enough I actually met Zeismer once when he came to my UNLV class to give a guest lecture. He said that John Huston was totally hungover or drunk during the making of ANNIE and the crew had to make the film around him while he was passed out most of the time. I added it to IMDB trivia but they removed it at some point. :(. He also told us about Marlon Brando playing hide 'n seek for half a day during the filming of APOCALYPSE NOW and how his antics meant his role had to get chopped down more and more as they only had him for a few days. He even signed my book "Terminate with Extreme Prejudice" and said that was going to be the title of the movie at some point. Rest in peace, a really nice and humble guy with many stories he was eager to tell. I wish he had cameo'd in more movies as he was actually a pretty decent actor. He said he got into AD'ing because he recognized early on that he wanted to work in film but was "not a creative person".

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How cool to meet him! Despite being "not a creative person" Zeismer really did a great job in Apocalypse Now. His cold, chilling presence made Jerry one of the most memorable characters in the entire movie, even though he had only one scene. He certainly was far more memorable than Harrison Ford.

John Huston's one of my favorite directors. Sad to hear about that anecdote about him.

And the Brando story reinforces my existing opinion: https://moviechat.org/nm0000008/Marlon-Brando/5ddca2733a97323b71c38e60/Why-did-anyone-hire-this-clown-after-about-1970

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Zeismer also either said or wrote in his book, that when they were auditioning for Apocalypse Now, an extremely nervous actor came in to read for the main role. He blew practically every take and didn't make eye contact. Coppola said to Zeismer right afterward, "that guy has no future in the acting business" but they gave him a small role anyway because they liked his droll demeanor. That man was Harrison Ford.

I considered it an odd story since Coppola has worked with Ford earlier in THE CONVERSATION, but maybe he either didn't remember him or meant any future after this AN.

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Wow! That had to be before Star Wars was released, right? I was just reading somewhere about how Ford incorporated his nervousness into his character and made it work as the character being deeply disturbed about the nature of the mission.

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He was just a crooked narcotics detective, just there to make money anyway he could. It didn't matter who it came from because he had no loyalty to anyone. They made this pretty clear in the movie.

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I respectfully disagree. Some low level detective wouldn't be at a meeting with a Bolivian drug kingpin and several heads of state. It would be hilarious though if he was, and by "from Washington", Sosa meant that he was just some corrupt cop from Spokane.

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Oh my goodness, I am so sorry. You are absolutely right. I thought you were talking about the detective with Frank. The man you are referring to is Charles Goodson and his character is a corrupt politician and personal friend of Sosa's.

"It would be hilarious though if he was, and by "from Washington", Sosa meant that he was just some corrupt cop from Spokane." Lol! That would have been funny! 😂

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