Yeah, ... it is not a great film.
The biggest problem was that George Lucas took the wrong things out of Return of the Jedi and expanded them in the Special Editions and the prequels. He though Jedi Rocks and Jar Jar Binks would be so cool, and they are ... for first graders.
If it wasnt Star Wars the score would be much lower, sad but true.
shareA 8 would be fine due to the fact that the last 35(+/-) minutes are really good.
shareThose must be the bits without those stupid fucking Ewoks
shareThe Ewoks itself was not the problem; it was the ridiculousness of their traps and ability to actually do damage with physical force on the Stormtroopers and equipment that was ridiculous. It is somewhat believable that an advanced military would struggle with primitive type of warfare if they were not used to it; but what the Ewoks do is just silly; they are out shooting them with sling shots; they are able to rope speeders traveling at least 100 kph, they have huge trees cut down and piled up and tied up to smash the AT walkers, almost like they read the script and knew they would need those traps there for the battle.
Either they should have depicted the way the Ewoks fought totally different; maybe more as a nuisance or distraction for the Empire troops while the rebel fighters actually were the effective unit; or go back to the original plan of having them be Wookies instead.
Well I don’t agree for a whole lot of reasons. First, history is filled with examples of a modern, better equipped army losing to a more primitive army defending their home. The Stormtrooper uniforms are not armour but a way to inspire fear. Second, we don’t know if there are traps already built in the forest because there are other dangerous animals lurking around.
You can’t have the natives be Wookiees because as Lucas said there would be no threat as Wookiees would wipe the floor with the Empire and I agree. They would also make Chewie and the rebels redundant and not partners in the battle. One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Wars is when Chewie and the Ewoks commandeer that Walker and turn the tables.
"First, history is filled with examples of a modern, better equipped army losing to a more primitive army defending their home. '
Yes, I said the same thing: " It is somewhat believable that an advanced military would struggle with primitive type of warfare if they were not used to it;"
I just saying that the imagery of these little teddy bear looking things defeating the storm troopers is a silly image and greatly reduces the intimidation factor of storm troopers. This is where the annoying misconception of stormtroopers actually sucking comes from; the fact they look rather pathetic getting their asses handed to them by teddy bear looking creatures.
To the second; yes that is true but it was just incredibly convenient that those traps were in perfect placement and perfectly suited to taking out the AT-ST. So convenient it really stretches the willing suspension of belief and comes across as silly looking.
I don't agree with Lucas; Wookiees wiping the floor with the Empire would not happen (as shown in Episode III) but it would be much more believable that Wookiees would be easier to accept visual for defeating stormtroopers.
"One of my favourite scenes in all of Star Wars is when Chewie and the Ewoks commandeer that Walker and turn the tables."
That is not a bad scene by itself but I find it's more 'kiddie' tone not aligning with the other things that are going on. Ewoks dying, Rebel fleet losing, R2 getting shot, and Luke and Vader coming to blows with the emperor antagonizing him. I am sorry but the 'kiddie' humor of that scene was tone deaf.
The movie is not about the fucking Ewokes, Its not even about the fucking Space Battles. Its about Luke trying to save his Father. And Frankly the Ewokes are not as Bad as the Fucking Gungans in the Prequels. At least the Ewokes weren't just a play on a old Racial Stereotype. Yeah ill take the Kickass Teddy Bears over the race that basically Buckwheat in Space. Besides what was the first thing Lucas did after making Star Wars, He sold a shitload of Toys to FUCKING KIDS.
shareYour gonna bitch about Ewoks. When the Gungans exist.
shareHonestly, I think the final act is the weakest section, essentially combining elements of the conclusions of the two previous movies into a mediocre ‘greatest hits’ package.
shareNo the final act is where it gets good, it was mediocre up until Luke told Leo’s about Vader.
shareThe only thing repeated was the death star blown up .. but it was blown up in a different way.
shareYeah i agree. I felt absolutely nothing when Darth sacrificed himself to save his son. There more to this movie than just the fucking Space battle, Dipshit.
shareIf people saw this for the first time today, many of them would rate it a lot lower. It’s a landslide down from the earlier films.
It was my favourite movie when I was eleven but now... a generous 5/10.
I would give it an 8 if George Lucas didn't add all the CGI and retconning. Now, I give the whole series a 3. All that meddling ruined star wars for me. Not jar jar or j.j.
shareI didn't grow up with the OT during its release so it was never really about nostalgia for me. As a kid, ROTJ was my favorite because it had the most lightsaber action and every kid thought lightsabers were the coolest weapon ever even if you weren't a big Star Wars fan. As an adult I can see thaT ROTJ is the weakest of that trilogy but the final act was great, particularly everything with the Emperor, Vader & Luke which really saves the film & along with a very satisfying conclusion. Honestly though even the weaker parts of the film had its memorable and even iconic moments.
shareCompletely agree. It was always my favorite of the 3 growing up. I think I just really liked 'Jedi Luke'. he was in his prime and I loved the black outfit and the whole Sarlaac Pit scene is the BEST. Him fighting the Rancor is probably my favorite scene. I think I was too young to understand the depth of the Luke / Vader battle and found that boring while I loved the Ewoks. As I grew older, I found more things to appreciate like fully understanding the weight of the Luke and Vader battle. I also understand why people have a problem with it. I wish it didn't feel so rushed/cheap and kiddie yet at the same time I think all the events in the story fell into place well and make sense. I think it was never going to beat Empire Strikes Back but it gives great closure to Luke's story and offers a little fun too.
share8.4 seems high to me, but 6 seems low.
shareI have just watched the first 3 star wars films on Disney + in dolby on my 65 inch Sony XH95 tv.
I would give all 3 a 7 out of 10 I did think return was the better one though.
Now have all the others to view.
Oh I have always liked Star Trek much more.
People have always liked this movie. People who hate the Ewoks always try to act like this movie is disliked by the majority if fans. It's not. An 8+ at IMDB, 82% from critics at RT, and 94% at from the fans at RT. Metacritic, which hates everything has an 8.3 from the fans. There's people who don't like it, but it's a generally well-liked movie.
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