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Frazetta and us; a thread for artists.


By far, my top five fantasy artists would have to be Todd Lockwood, Frank Frazetta, John Howe, Matt Stawicki, and Brom.
Though, out of all of the above professional artists, Frazetta is the one that really discourages me when I am getting set to draw, or when I am beginning to watch "Painting with Fire".
Through this documentary, having first watched it on the Independant Film Channel, I have experienced the prolific and daunting artwork of Frank Frazetta. Though I should be empowered by such great visual flavor, I quickly get discouraged, especially after hearing from Frank's own mouth how, at age 8, he became better than most professional adult artists. I look at his paintings and listen to his words and feel demoralized within minutes, placing my pencil down and shutting by sketchbook. I then say to myself, "Why draw? What is the real point?"
So, this thread was created for various artistic reasons. The first, which made me create a new thread, was: do any other artists who view his art or watch his documentary get discouraged in the least bit? If not, how can you not?
Another reason is for a discussion board for artists of different types; fantasy, science-fiction, game art, etc. What equipment do use? What brands of equipment do you work with? What type of paper do you draw and/or paint on? Who are your favorite artists and/or authors (as we all know, literature is an art as well).
If any readers of the thread do decide to post, then I can't wait to read what you have to say. Thank you, and farewell.

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If you think about it too hard, it can be discouraging. But ultimately, Frazetta's Frazetta, and nobody else can be him, so don't try to be. Find something else stylistically, and make it your own.

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Zoddman is right, when I was in high school I discovered Rodger Dean and tried very hard to be like him. Of course I failed and was very discouraged like you say you are. When I got into college I learned alot more and devolped myself as well. I had always known I wanted to be an artist, but now knew what kind. I am a graphic artist, very good at layout and design not so good at drawing and painting. I still wish I could paint like Dean but know that thats not me. As for favorite artists I like Dean of course, also I likethe manga coming out of Japan, Katsuhiro Otomo for example he did Akira. Also Akira Kurosawa is also a great artist in film making. Andy Warhol and Jean Michel Basquiat also come to mind. As for my canvas it has to be the computer. Good luck you will find the great artist inside you someday I've seen the doorway to mine and am still peering thourgh.

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I know what you mean and how you feel about being discouraged by hearing about the accolades and success stories of all the great artists and how overwhelming is must be, I myself have come across a few myself. Some such as these:

: Within ten days of living in New York City, Frank Miller of Sin City and Batman Dark Knight Returns fame found work at Marvel comics, when I've been trying my hardest to get a fan comic together and to polish my skills off to the point where they shine like a diamond

: Windsor Mckay the man who created one of the earliest comic strips in Newspaper history in Little Nemo and Dreams of a Rarebit Friend and created one of the earliest and first animated cartoons in Gertie the Dinosaur drew crowds of people and even had people paying him to draw a figure in only one line, never once taking it off the paper and drawing a near perfect figure. I've tried this, and it's never worked for me no matter how hard I tried.

: Like you said in your observation of Frank Frazetta in PWF, when he was just 8 years old, he became better than most adult professional artists, while at age 8 I had only started drawing for a full year by then having started at 7, no way in hell I could have measured up to Frank by then.

Still, no matter what all of these people have done to make them legendary, I've never once stopped I've never quit, and I've always kept a pencil in my hand, because it's my dream to one day make it in the world of comic books.



my poison, when working in art, I work old school. My tools are pencils, usually HB, 3H, and H. My preferred type of paper is the thick stuff, the hard stuff, the kind you can ink, paint, and draw on. It's called card Stock that I can get a whole ream of for about 5 bucks in Wal-Mart, I also go for Bristol tablets, I just got a big one that I'll use for my poster pics. My brands are usually the Turqoiuse pencils or the DESIGN drawing 3800 brand pencils.

My artists that I look up to and adore are "Ayami Kojima" (Castlevania character design) Kentarou Miura (Berserk creator, artist, writer) Windsor Mckay, (Little Nemo creator) Yutaka Minowa, (character designer Ninja Scroll, Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, Animatrix: PROGRAM) SHINKIRO (SNK lead character designer from 1987 -2000, now working for Capcom as a cover artist for their games)

That about covers it for me, hope to see what everyone else has to say as well and don't give up, if drawing, painting or anything else is what you want to do don't let the height of the bar discourage you, let it encourage you.


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When he says that he was a better artist then most adult artists at age 8, i find that difficult to beleive. i myself am an artist - I am the illustrator/co-writer of Sorta Super ( found at www.sortasuper.aftervision.com :D ) And am currently attending college classes to improve my ability. My goal in life is to be a cahracter designer for a video game company, or at least a comic book illustrator. I know I have a long way to go, and I always get discouraged when I look at these guys or read certain comic books - but think about this for a tic. They've been doing this ALL THEIR LIVES. They do it EIGHT HOURS A DAY. Probably even more.
My own art page - http://ninjakinshu.deviantart.com/gallery/

Don't get discouraged. Try to become better then them - Take pointers. See how they do it, how they put it together, then go for it yourself.

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There are Einsteins and there are other scientists. The other scientists still find jobs. If you're a Frazetta (or a Dean - god bless you sir!)then lucky you. You'll still probably crash and burn because of your talent.

If you're not a genius then don't sweat it. If you can make it here and post a comment you're capable of making a living doing something. It may not be art but nobody is going to stop you drawing or painting in yout free time.

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Hey! Not to be ridiculously off topic. But this is general enough to help most artists here. Draw from life! A great artist once told me I can't invent what I don't know. There is no reason you can't pose like superman and take a picture :) Although comic book artists by and large have a good handle on anatomy I know more than a few illustrators who relish being able to take the time to draw from life.

Besides it'd be cool to have a Superman look a little bit like you!

-Adam

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i agree and one thing i have to say is dont try to be like another artist
find your won skill...it helps.....every artist has it in them....you just have to find it
if you try to be like another artist it removes the fun
have fun man...thats what art is about have fun dnt try to compete with professionals man

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Find your own style.

Film recommendation >>>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

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I agree. Enjoy Frazetta, don't copy him. Draw inspiration from everything, from nature, from music. Listen to Jefferson Airplane, and the Stone's Their Satanic Majesty's Request album (specifically the song In a Strange Land). Watch the sunset over the mountains and sea, take a trip from the city or whatever to go see the woods. Wach rainfall on a samll pond and see it collect in the cusp of lillypads, whatever. Dig everything, put it on paper. Peace and good luck to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I love Frazetta and spent most of my early years trying to imitate his style. What I have found now that I am much older is that everyone has their own style and that is one of the greatest things about art. We only need one Frazetta but we need millions of original artists and designs. I thought it was interesting that he was born with that gift. When I watched the documentary, it inspired me to work harder with my own gift.

As far as the equipment I use, mostly pencil and ink. The pencils I use range from Walter Foster to Faber-Castell brands. I am always looking for the finest tip that I can find for fine detail. Some of the best I have found are pigment liners by Staedtler and PITT artist pens by Faber-Castell. As far as the surface (like one of the other entries), the thicker the better. Always remember, art should be original, and anything else is just an imitation of an original.

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Im an aspiring writer and I know what you mean. I remember watching Pulp Fiction and feeling a slight sense of dread and insecurity of can I do that but let me share this with you.
We only know of Franks work because it was produced and made for mass consumption.
What we might think as average or ordinary there may be masses of people who love it.
We have to work and create not from the perspective of will anybody like it or understand it but from the angle of I have to create because its who I am.
Case in point. Hootie and the Blowfish. I use to see these guys at my local pub when they were absolutely nobodys. We came for the dollar drafts. They werent bad though.
They get a record deal and sold over 15 MILLION records. To this day that cd/album is Atlantic Records ALL TIME seller. This is the same company that brought you Led Zepplin.
Is Hootie for everybody? No. BUT...they made the music THEY liked and stayed true to that and there was a massive response to that.
There is a phrase I use alot called "circle of thought". People will watch a movie or hear a song or see a commercial or there is a product created and we go..."how did they come up with that. I could never do that." But we all can. The problem is we are busy being a plumber and never get into that circle of thought were we have to be creative and make music or paint a painting. So the moral of the story is PAINT. WRITE. DRAW. CREATE. You will be amazed at how all walks of life could be impacted by whats inside of you....

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Well I know it's impossible to immitate or even try to emulate Frazetta. But that doesn't mean we can't be inspired by his work, does it? I mean, ever since I was five, those images of his art have been since burned into my memories. And when I try some of my artwork I almost always refer to a Frazetta piece. I may never get close to the level he was at, but it does help out in refining my work. I dunno, what do you guys think?

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own" - Bruce Lee

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I've always had the exact opposite reaction, all it takes is a few minutes of Frazetta and I am ready to get going! I LOVE Frazetta's stuff so much I can't help but get motivated by looking at his stuff. It's similar with playing guitar and listening to the late great Randy Rhoads, all I have to do is listen to him for a little while and it makes me want to pick up and play.
Try not to be discouraged, just enjoy it and let it inspire you.

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I shall. Thanks, dude.

"Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own" - Bruce Lee

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Hey matrix, I just wanted to say thanks for starting this Artist thread.
I'm also a Frazetta fan, and it's true, I have been discouraged by several amazing artists in my time. I can say this though...I got my spirit back from 4 sources.
maybe they can help you too. They are: Michael Whelan, Ray Bradbury, Roman Dirge, and Neil Gaiman's "Sandman" series. I found much hope there, and I think they might help you out. Peace,
Vastarien

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It was actually me, Vastarien... if you scroll to the top of the thread, the first post you see will be mine. Also, if you look at the actual Fire and Ice board, you will see to the right of the thread name that I created it.
Sorry for seeming conceited... maybe someone else does deserve credit for making this thread, seeing how all of you have kept it alive and kicking, whilst I have basically abandoned it. I read through it, though, and all of your tips and tricks are especially helpful to me, if not everyone.
Again, thank you for continuing to post and keeping this Art thread a living, breathing monument to the true adoration that artists have for their passion.

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well he isnt full of *beep* if hes telling the truth :P

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he isnt telling the truth
even though he has skill he aint that skille dman

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