THERE ARE NO WARREN BEATTYS, DIANE KEATONS, OR JACK NICHOLSONS IN ANY COMMUNIST COUNTRY
NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE
"ARTISTS" LOVE THE NOTION OF EVERYONE BEING EQUAL
AS THEY SIT IN THEIR BILLION DOLLAR PERCHES, FAR ABOVE US
HAVING WAY MORE THAN ANY OF US, AS THEY TEACH US ABOUT
EQUALITY
they arent billionaires either.........
shareAnd the OP is a capitalist based on his inability to use lower case letters.
shareEveryone who has ever owned his or her own home is a capitalist by definition.
The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank.
You, sir or madam, win all the internets.
Et ses mains ourdiraient les entrailles du prêtre
Au défaut d'un cordon pour étrangler les rois
Is that poesy?
"You get tired of your own obsessions, the betrayals, the voyeurism, the twisted sexuality"
Throughout history a lot of people have loved communism. I spent some time in Russia a few years back, and there are still quite a few people there that actually would describe themselves as communist, and some of them suffered pretty badly due to communism, so go figure that!
Also, there have indeed been self made millionaires in communist states (The Hungarian teacher who invented the rubik's cube for example.) Not to mention the ongoing capitalist expansion in China.
Communism, as practiced, is largely unworkable, but it does present a utopian ideal that appeals to a lot of people, including artists.
Lastly, you are aware that during the time Reds depicts, there was a fair amount of support for the bolsheviks on all levels of western society, yes?
"Throughout history a lot of people have loved communism. I spent some time in Russia a few years back, and there are still quite a few people there that actually would describe themselves as communist, and some of them suffered pretty badly due to communism, so go figure that!"
There are still many Communists throughout the world. I myself am a member of the Communist Party Of America.. one of the members of the local club has been in the party for 73 years. The head of the local club has been in the party for 23 years.
With a couple of tweaks, Jack Reed might have made the same speech, only about capitalists rather than actors. In capital letters, too. You should check out the movie. You might see glimpses of yourself.
The poster doesn't understand "ART" which has nothing to do with "money"...Jack Reed was also an "artist" and not an administrator..."Artist", like Warren Beatty & Jack Reed, inspire, they don't administrate if that is the proper word...
shareI'm guessing you didn't watch the movie, rather you saw Warren Beatty's name and communism, and jumped to a conclusion (right off the deep end).
shareYour post is inane.
shareIf they are billionaires(even though they aren't) why would they love Communism? A system of government that tries to remove social classes and create equality? That means no more "BILLION DOLLAR PERCHES, FAR ABOVE US" for them.
shareThere is a saying: "A free society is not equal, and an equal society is not free."
People on the left-wing love to compare our practical capitalist system to the ideal communist system, and that is intellectually dishonest. The Soviet Union was the closest thing we will ever to see to a practical large scale implementation of communism.
Communism denies fundamental human nature: Desire to rise above your current status, improve your situation in life; to succeed and be rewarded. To innovate, to invent, to acheive. Communism is a system that lowers everybody to the lowest common denominator. Incentive is removed from achievement and risk. People are given no way to improve their situation in life. Thus, communism is an immoral system that will never work, especially on a large scale model.
While pure communism is impractical, the same can be said for pure capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, there are no capitalist systems in the world today... they are closer in practice to mercantilism. It's all in degrees anyway. Capitalist and communist are great theoritical and philosophical talking points, but society doesn't deal in absolutes.
Anyway, REDS is very noble in that while it remains optimistic about communism and socialism, it is careful to also point out the negatives. There's a great conversation towards the end of the movie where Beatty's character is being told that the revolution did not turn out the way that they had invisioned it. His response... "Well what did you expect?"
As for the statement about communism being "immoral," I would hope that we would be beyond such overtly dramatic and theatrical generalizations right now. Morality is subjective.
Morality is either absolute or it does not exist at all.
Even in its ideal form, communism embodies in itself the forced abandonment of individual rights of self-determination and improvement of one's situation, purportedly for the benefit of society at large. No incentive exists for the individual to take risks or to innovate, because no reward exists. People are forced to the lowest common denominator in the name of "equality", irrespective of the work they perform or their abilities. Communism denies fundamental human nature, and it is that which makes it inherently immoral.
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