Just got through the insufferable 2+ hours. The acting is atrocious, and I mean really atrocious. Wearing a 3 piece suit or a frilly peticoat does not automatically add gravity to your statements. Any dignity in the film is thrown out with purely gratuitous nudity. The story is hacked to pieces to the extent that any character's motivation is absent. I laughed out loud to most of this movie, Tivoed it to show my wife and had the same response. The treatment of race is infantile, apparently any reference to unions and anarchist theory is edited out. Just a train wreck. Howard Rollins was adequate to good, but even worse, that just underscored how bad everyone else was. Mandy Patinkin is likeable in this as always, but he's onscreen for about 5 minutes, and his story is hacked to pieces. Oddly enough, Altman would have tightened this thing up.
Actually the Best Picture nominees in 1981 were Reds, Raiders of the Lost Ark, On Golden Pond, Atlantic City and Chariots of Fire. Ragtime did not get nominated for Best Picture and that Oscar went to the now-forgotten Chariots of Fire. Reds losing Best Picture was probably one of the bigger upsets in Oscar history.
How can anyone call "Ragtime" a bad film? Superb production values, a consistently interesting story, one of the best ensemble casts ever assembled (probably the only movie that has both James Cagney and Samuel L. Jackson - pre-stardom - in it). Howard Rollins, Jr. gave a finely balanced performance. He is kind and civil in the first half of the film and turns into an angry terrorist in the second half. The death of his bride-to-be (Debbie Allen) was very sad.
I am not crazy about long, epic films but I like this picture. When I first sought out the movie, it was mainly to simply see what James Cagney looked like after all the years absent from the screen. I was disappointed when his screen time ended up being barely an hour but he was an 81-year old man so something is better than nothing. But the story hooked me and I think it is one of the best films of the 1980's.
You're quite wrong to think that Reds lost because Hollywood lacks balls. Hollywood is the largest enclave of Leftist Tripe this side of the Ivy League.
The **REAL** reason why "Chariots of Fire" won was because it had these really kewl, impressive Slo-Mo scenes that meant is was "Artistic" !! I mean, couldn't you tell?
Beatty figured "Reds" was a shoo-in because it idolized Left-Wing Tripe whilst pretending to uncover the truth. This was supposed to alarm the "Little People" and create scandal. But Beatty forgot that that Vast Wasteland of Cellulose Acetate known as "Hollywood" is always a sucker for the filmic art they so rarely produce themselves.
Warren deserved it and I laughed my ass off about it.
I agree about "Atlantic City' ... but Burt's best performance? ... pretty hard to pick ..."Atlantic City", "The Sweet Smell of Success", "The Swimmer", "Seven Days in May', ""Elmer Gantry", "The Rose Tattoo", "The Killers" ... all knockout performances ... but for my money, the greatest was as the aristocrat in Visconti's "The Leopard" ... playing against type and doing it wonderfully.
You're all wrong. Raiders of the Lost Ark should have won. It's far and away the most lasting film of the bunch.
On Golden Pond is really sweet and brilliantly acted and written. But next to Raiders, it did not deserve Best Picture.
Reds and Chariots are lavish and well-made, but long and flat in areas. From the standpoint of great filmmaking, Raiders is easily the best of the bunch. I know it had no chance of winning at the time (though at least it was nominated!), but there's nothing wrong with being commercial.
(Unless you're The Dark Knight, in which case you won't even be nominated.)
I have to agree on Raiders of the Lost Ark as the Best Picture, but all the films that were nominated were very good, and I would have liked to have seen Ragtime nominated also.
Perhaps you could continue to pontificate like an idiot, and write"Left-Wing Tripe" a few more times. You come off as uneducated, bitter, and vitriolic - you're to be pitied I suppose. ....and if you want to talk "tripe", let's discuss every sentence that has emanated from Bush, Cheney, & Rice for the last 8 years. All I can say, is like you, paybacks are a bitch; and now the tables have turned. We can only hope that the BRILLIANT Obama can undo 1/10th of the damage done by the Right-Wing Nazis! ...remeber the "right" in right-wing does not mean "correct."
"The **REAL** reason why "Chariots of Fire" won was because it had these really kewl, impressive Slo-Mo scenes that meant is was "Artistic" !! I mean, couldn't you tell?"
Actually, it won because IT (and NOT Reds) had all the tripe the Academy likes: epic and sweeping cinematography and musical score, a true historic story about an uncommon achievement, lots of rich privelidged white people meandering about while pontificating on problems the 'common' man will never have to face as he never gets the time or opportunity to do so (he's too busy serving tea an crumpets to some rich berk all the while!) - or because he has REAL problems to contend with that the hnever have to face ...
'Beatty figured "Reds" was a shoo-in because it idolized Left-Wing Tripe whilst pretending to uncover the truth. This was supposed to alarm the "Little People" and create scandal.'
'Left-Wing'?!! You DO realize that Reagan had just won the election and Hollywood will never meet a bandwagon It wouldn't try to jump on - perhaps you were asleep during the rest of the 80s when right-wing claptrap like Top Gun was being made by Hollyweird ...
Dear, Reds was too complex and over-long for the great unwashed American public. Why confuse them by giving the Oscar to Reds when it will just affect The elite's attempts to dumb the US down?
'But Beatty forgot that that VastWasteland of Cellulose Acetate known as "Hollywood" is always a suckerfor the filmic art they so rarely produce themselves.'
Finally, a statement of yours that's factually correct!!!
To do the labyrinthine structure of the novel would be impossible, and though there is too much emphasis on the Coalhouse Walker character for the film to be a true "ragtime", it is handsomely mounted and nicely acted and photographed and it ha a beautiful musical score, so your "worst ever'' comment is not only factually wrong, (it wasn't nominated", but pretty silly as a comment as well ... as for the nudity, grow-up, America.
I realise this response is a bout 10 years late, but it still holds true.
I couldn't finish your post. I just watched one of the best and most interesting/catching films I have ever seen and hoped it would go one for ever. Seeing how the films name was Ragtime and your post most probably are aimed at Ragtime I would disagree heavily!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somebody here has been drinking and I'm sad to say it ain't me - Allan Francis Doyle
This movie isn't as bad as the original poster implied, I wouldn't say, but it's still trite, dull and overrated. There isn't anything fresh, original or insightful about this film's treatment of race or the time period. I'm not sure how much of this is the fault of the Doctorow novel and how much is that of the film itself, but regardless, I would really like someone to point out what might have been "consistently interesting" about this story (to quote an earlier post). These characters exist for what they represent; they don't register as complex individuals, Coalhouse included, despite Howard Rollins's fine performance. And by the way, I post this with no antagonism intended towards those who enjoyed it- I'm just curious as to why some viewers would find it engrossing.
Good question, lebowski, and respectfully asked so I feel inclined- as one of those that finds the film so engrossing- to demystify my reasons for loving this film (there are a lot of them too).
Let's start off with a simple one. Hollywood "period" movies- no "period" movies in general, wherever they come from- seem to glorify or condemn periods of time they're talking about. More often than not it's solid shallow glorification. "Look at the pretty costumes", these movies gush. "Oh, the men were so romantic" they mew. "Those poor beautiful, beautiful women! How oppressed and brave they were", they cry. They make me sick. It never rings true. This movie did. I know it was based on true events, but so was "Braveheart" and we never saw a clear flaw anywhere in William Wallace. Anywhere. When we tear the mask from the most suffering character in "Ragtime" (Coalhouse Walker) we see that, in his own words, his rage is his flaw. Is he justified? Sure. But he has a parapetia before the end of the movie that makes him almost worthy of Shakespearean or Greek tragic heroes. If you follow his story closely, it's heart-breaking and horrific from all sides. Including his.
That brings me to the second point. "Ragtime" is a period film that doesn't focus only on one group- or even class- of people. It's a movie that (thank god, for ONCE) acknowledges that America has always been made up of many classes and races and that those CLASSES occurred in ALL of the races. I've never seen a movie do that before or since. At least not in such a profound and matter-of-fact way. This is a movie that could only take place in the U.S., yet we as Americans never see this type of interraction on film. It's always just a plot device (if it exists at all). What do we get? Shallow romances like "Titanic" getting best picture and films that examine our history like this one being ignored.
And let's not even start talking about the performances. All of them are good, but many of them were subtle and nuanced. One that comes to mind immediately is James Olson who played "Father" in the movie. The moment when he is freed as a hostage and he realizes the plans of his captor- a man he didn't even see as human before- is etched in my mind. He doesn't even have to rely on a lot of dialogue. It nearly bought tears to my eyes.
And where else are you gonna see Sam Jackson, Jeff Daniels and John Ratzenberger (!)all before they became "names" and having to WORK HARD to be noticed? Hell, even the end theme by Randy Newman made me cry, and I am NOT a crier.
I could go on and on about this film, but if people don't love it, they probably never will. I, for one, believe it was a great moment in American film making. Especially given the time it was made.
Wonderful response to Lebowski, I agree with you whole heartedly. This is how period films SHOULD be done, but unfortunately are rarely done. No agenda and no romanticizing or demonizing the period--simply portraying it good, bad, indifferent, faults and all.
I thought the film was okay. It will never measure up to the musical that came after.
I have always thought Mary Steenburgen is one of the WORST actresses ever! She even brings me down during some of the comedies she stars in such as ELF and STEP BROTHERS. I have to see the movie Melvin and Howard for which she won an Oscar because I can't believe the Academy would even care about her work.
i don't get the criticism either, unless the critics don't like movies without car chases and pyrotechnics. I remember watching it in a suburban theatre full of white people who cheered wildly when the black guys got away . THAT alone tells you it was good.
That's purely your OPINION! This movie was excellent in my honest opinion. The acting was superb, the story was moving, and really moved and held your interest the entire way through. As I said, everyone has their "opinion". Mine is that this was a very entertaining and well done film.
I have to completely disagree with you, OP. Ragtime was possibly the BEST film of the 1980's; at least on the top ten list. I've been a fan of the film for twenty years, read the book by E.L. Doctorow, and have seen the Broadway show. The movie is in my opinion, the very best adaptation of Doctorow's original story, blessed with marvelous actors and impressive production values.
RAGTIME should've been nominated for Best Picture. This was a great movie, not as great as REDS.
REDS should've won Best Picture as 'the academy' is people voting for their favs and since they gace Beatty best director they couldn't give him best picture as well.
RAGTIME should've won something - something.
But what's odd is people remember REDS, and NO ONE remembers RAGTIME.
And go ask anyone what won best picture of 1981 - most have no clue
What I totally don't get is that Howard Rollins was nominated for Best Supporting Actor? If the Coalhouse Walker character was a supporting role, who was the main protagonist? Puleeze! As far as period pieces go, this flick will always be up at the top of my list. It was a powerful depiction of both the beauty and the dark underbelly of its time, and for that alone is unforgettable.