A fighter doesn't just stand there and get pounded with punch after punch. As soon as the referee sees the fighter is defenseless he jumps in and stops the fight (even back in those days)
I thought Rocky boxing scenes are bad, but this is just as bad lol
But it really happened. Not quite as depicted because the fight scenes are about emotion and not facts, but it did happen.
shareI know the scenes that you are talking about. They are stylized and for dramatic effect. There are a hand full of scenes in Raging Bull like this.
But you would have to have a predetermined mindset about this film to let these scenes sway you enough to post a negative thread about Raging Bull in this manner.
lol just doesn't cut it here. Have you watched the film in it's entirety?
LOL! Specifically, at the end in his last fight with Sugar Ray, they just show LaMotta getting pounded with shot after shot. LOL Ok, that is 100% inaccuracy LOL.
He takes maybe 1-2 clean shots and that's really it LOL. If you don't believe me, watch the fight ... it is avaialable on youtube and other places LOL.
LOL this film is really good, but the boxing scenes are just horrible LOL Without the boxing scenes its a 10/10, but I gave it an 8/10 because of this over-dramatic nonsense.
LOL!!
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Films don't NEED to be realistic, as they're not real. It's actors speaking written lines on a set. From that point on the director has the freedom to create the world in which he wants the film and the story to exist, it can be what we'd call "realistic", a style some directors prefer, or something else, such as the "expressionism" one sees in so many of Scorsese's films.
Scorsese was telling, through Jake, something close to his own story of the late '70s, as he was getting jolted again and again, in his personal life, and professional life (the reception he jot for New York, New York). The "you never got me down, Ray" was central to the film, less in a dramatic sense (we more or less know he's going to lose, even those who aren't up on boxing history), more in sense of character.
"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx
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Again I make the point that one can refer to "realism" in different ways. There's "physical" realism, and, IMO often more importantly, "emotional" realism.
I generally dislike the notion of realism in cinema, as it's really a misnomer. In any case you have actors reading lines in front of a camera. It's not Jake, can't be Jake. You have to make up dialog, and often entire situations.
So the question a filmmaker needs to ask himself, when developing a project, especially one "based" (or, to use the contemporary parlance, "inspired by") is what kind of "realism" he's looking for. I feel that biopics, like Ray or Walk the Line, which make great efforts at the physical realism, often lose the greater truths about the character.
I'm enough of a boxing fan to know about Jake La Motta, and have seen films of his matches. Even if the film doesn't get a documentary reality of the fights, it does allow us to experience what Jake was going through.
As for your examples from other films, that's just that, OTHER FILMS. Scorsese is enough of an artist to know what he's looking for, and to be able to achieve it on film.
"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx
Scorsese wasn't in the least interested in boxing, as he famously hates all sports. He was interested in CHARACTER, specifically, in the character of Jake. We see the fight segments through HIS experience, through HIS point of view. The way he floats on air when beating Cerdan, or the weight he feels on himself when losing to Sugar Ray. This isn't meant to be realism, but through Scorsese's expressionism, we're able to experience other levels of artistic truth.
"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx
Thanks, lubin-freddy. Now I don't have to type it all myself :)
shareNot speaking for the other poster, but all i read leading me up to watching this movie was how realistic the boxing scenes were. I'm not saying they had to be realistic, god knows that making sports look realistic in movies never happens, but these were suppossed to be mind blowing.
Character? what character, he was a idiot at the beginning of the movie and was an idiot at the end of the movie as well.
Yes, realistic in an emotional sense, of what it might feel like to be Jake. But not realistic in what some other posters expect from film "realism".
"Sometimes you have to take the bull by the tail, and face the truth" - G. Marx
right.. i cant stand this *beep* dissing the boxing scenes because they werent real enough.. please, for those of us who've been in the ring, those scenes hit hard, no pun intended, you dont get a personal perspective when you watch sports on tv, but the close ups and tight scenes really give personal perspective and therefore, guess what? REALISM! since of course our reality is based on our own perceptions
shareYes, the boxing scenes were pretty lame and the movie is pretty overrated as well.
Complete lack of character development!
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For those ragging on this film's boxing sequences, maybe you should go watch something like PUNCH DRUNKS with the Three STooges or Abbott & Costello in BUCK PRIVATES.
"We're fighting for this woman's honor, which is more than she ever did."
I agree with the original poster
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Who cares about the boxing. If you think this film is about boxing (the sport) then you missed the point and need to rewatch the film.
Scorsese said in a interview about the making of RB that he never understood sports, he never had passion for boxing or football or any other sport. That probably explains it all.
Having said that, they sat through a lot of boxing videos to do this movie.
You can see it all here in interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bOo1zZp7Lo