Does anyone feel this is the best Star Wars film by far? - Star Wars (1977) Discussion

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[–] samoanjoes (57626) 4 years ago

The last of the original trilogy came out the year I was born. I didn't see them until I was about 8 or 9 and didn't see them again until I was 19. When I made this post, I had just finished watching the trilogy for a third time and was pretty unwhelmed with the sequels when comparing it to the first film. Something about the sequels just doesn't sit right with me.

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[–] SoulHacker88 (20) 3 years ago

It was always a stand-alone movie for me since there are too many contradictions that keep it from being enjoyable if you acknowledge the sequels/rest of the franchise. Thus, Star Wars (not A New Hope) is the only Star Wars that I love and know like the back of my hand.

Sometimes I like to lucidly dream and create my own sequels/ending that begin right after Vader's TIE Fighter goes hurling around into space and the Death Star blows up. These sequels have Luke fighting a man called Darth Vader that has no blood connection to him at all and it's amazing.

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[–] samoanjoes (57626) 3 years ago

I swear George Lucas was making stuff up as he went along. I recall him saying that he thought of Darth Vader being Luke's dad the second he wrote it and was surprised with himself.

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[–] SoulHacker88 (20) 3 years ago

Exactly. I'm fully convinced that Star Wars was a complete fluke... "saved in the editing room" as it's famously claimed. Sometime between 1977-1980 his brain must have turned into mashed potatoes which would explain the prequels and even Crystal Skull since he had creative input on it.

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[–] Gd5150 (11837) 3 years ago

Agreed. Alec Guinness and Peter Cushing brought gravitas to the movie. Harrison Ford was raw and real.

The movie was made for adults with adult dialog and adult characters.

The saga should’ve ended half way through empire. Hammill was a lightweight unable to carry the role.

By ROTJ the franchise embraced the kids aim and it just became amateur night. Even as a kid I found ROTJ fairly weak.

The rest aren’t even worthy of discussion.

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[–] SoulHacker88 (20) 3 years ago

It's funny, because supposedly there are script treatments/concepts that have Jedi being far darker than it originally turned out to be, on par with Empire or more in terms of tone. At the very least it was less kiddy/toyetic.

Some things I remember reading involve:
1) Wookies instead of Ewoks
2) Han dying in the 2nd act
3) Luke walking off into the sunset, like a defeated hero in a samurai or western film

Kind of makes you think about what could have been if greed had not taken precedence over artistic integrity.

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[–] Gd5150 (11837) 3 years ago

Wookiees would’ve changed everything.

More wookies and more fishface. Nuff said.

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[–] samoanjoes (57626) 3 years ago

If find "Empire" and "Jedi" to be good, but unworthy sequels. At times they don't even feel like a Star Wars world.

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[–] kuatorises (7467) 3 years ago

The original is GREAT, but no. Frankly it was always "the boring one" to me as a kid. I love the movie, but Empire is BETTER and ROTJ is one of my favorites. I understand your point completely - that it's become overlooked - and I agree, but at the same time, I rank several others above it. Empire, Rogue One, ROTJ, and maybe even TFA. I will say those 4 and ANH are my top five. Movies in the franchise I undoubtedly like and have no real problems with.

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[–] thingmakersback (1403) 3 years ago

I really don't think I can evaluate it objectively. This is the only Star Wars film that was startling, new and better than anything previously done in the realm of space adventure. It was bad science fiction, but that was only because we hadn't taken it for the space fantasy that it is. And it brought to life on the big screen vistas and images that SF fans had read about for decades, and they looked real--real like only 2001 and, maybe Silent Running had done before. So SF fans could hope that it meant serious SF would be made in the future.

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 3 years ago

Empire a close second

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[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

It's the only one I'll watch.

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[–] ElizabethJoestar (946) 3 years ago

Nah, for me it's still EMPIRE. However, this movie is a close second. Both of those films are the height of the series: this one is a classic adventure and the second one is like a dark fairy tale.

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[–] samoanjoes (57626) 3 years ago

That ice world in Empire is a real turnoff for me.

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