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One of the most realistic sword fights on film.


The final duel is so much more realistic than most cinematic sword fights. We see these men get tired. We see the Sheriff give Robin every opportunity to yield, sometimes hitting him with the flat side of his sword instead of the blade. We see them jockey for postition with the sun.

We don't see a lot of hokey acrobatic choreography.

This and the duel between Liam Neesom and Tim Roth in "Rob Roy" are my two all-time favorite sword duels.

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Yes Robin and the Sheriff , a fantastic fight ,I agree ,the Rob Roy too. going back further, the fight between Kik Douglas and Tony Curtis from the Vikings was great, and now theres a new film I've seen "Tristan & Isolde", it has really brutal fantastic fight scenes, like that of "Robin & Marion".try to see this if you like medieval films. byeee.

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What about the one in the theatre in "Scaramouche" (longest on film
and with a very 'different' climax).

I have both "The Vikings" US DVD with the 'making-of' director featurette
and the uncensored US "Rob Roy" DVD. Did you notice the hint [with hindsight]
to the end of the Rob Roy swordfight in that of the "first cut" one earlier?

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Hi again, no I never noticed but will check it out, another great fight is from ElCid at the castle joust, also really clever sword work in The Duelist, if you havent seen that film, you will love it . adios.

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yes, this is probably the most realistic sword fight in the history of cinema . an anecdote to it: director richard lester wanted the whole movie given an authentic touch- so, for this scene he read some books about the battle clothes of that time. the costumes were made the same weight as the authentic ones. this was very hard for the actors, especially for shaw who had to wear the chain-costume. the first time he put it on- he put it right off again: "you are crazy. i will never wear that" he told lester. so the director had to put it on for one day of shooting to demoralize shaw. he finally won him over but reported that his body looked terrible from the chain-wounds.

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Also: Kurosawa's Rashomon (1950).

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Actually, it's not all that realistic. It's more so than most movie sword fights, I grant you, but it still isn't all that realistic. The movements of the combatants were much too slow and ponderous. Lots of people still think that medieval swords were heavy, clumsy things, and that there was little science to the swordplay of the middle ages. Both conceptions are complete myths, and nothing could be further from the truth. In a real fight in that era, while it wouldn't have had all the graceful, acrobatic nonsense Hollywood loves today, the combatants would have moved a lot faster, and wouldn't have tired as quickly.

As for the armor that Shaw wore... I don't blame him for not wanting to wear it. There were two things about it I noticed at once in the scene where the Sheriff puts it on. The first was that his arms and legs and head were covered by mail. But the entire torso area of the hauberk was leather. In other words, the part of the armor that covers his vital organs -- the very part that needs protecting the most -- is basically unarmored. This is nonsense. The only leather garments with armored sleeves that would have been used historically would have been those from later than the 12th century, where the leather part would have been covered by a solid breastplate. The second thing I noticed was the total lack of padding. Shaw puts the armor on over his bare torso. NO ONE wore mail like that -- those "chain wounds" to which you refer are why. Mail worn on bare skin would chafe like nobody's business, and would also not offer the proper protection. Warriors wore padded gambesons under their mail shirts both to prevent that kind of chafing, and because the padding absorbed some of the shock of any blow, and increased the protection offered by the mail.

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Yes. Just like in Ivanhoe, it is shown that knights had two swords. A lighter one that can be wielded with one hand and worn as a sidearm. The other is a two-handed broadsword carried on his horse. Note too that the knights often ram one another with their bodies instead of using their swords. That is because the swords are too heavy so that the interval between the delivery of blows are longer. Also in close proximity, it is difficult to deliver a strong blow. Bumping the other knight will either make him fall or push him away making him an easier target for a killing blow.

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Agree with you all. Also, the Princess Bride -- Lighter swords -- likely epees -- and lighter story, but the footwork is impeccably done.

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Yes the fight was so well done,it shows you how the men weighed down with armour and weapons would tire fairly quickly,they were remember training for a long time to master the weapons,and build up stamina,i loved how shaws character,could only use one arm,and then cuts off his axe,as it was just hanging there on his other wounded arm.

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Agreed with great emphasis! It's one of the many things that I love about this film!

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it was a great fight, yes. funny thing is, its not the first great fight those two actors have in a film:
i will never forget the fight in the train in "from russia with love"- yeah its connery and shaw too :-D

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excellent duel!

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But the best sword fight depiction was in "Monty Python & The Holy Grail"!

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I think that what is overlooked is the fact the sword fight is not really a "battle of champions". Nor does the ending reflect that (realistically).

A superior army will not give up simply because it's champion is defeated. Unless, perhaps, the champion is the King himself (or military dictator such as Santa Ana at the Battle of San Jacinto). But, the English King (King John) was not even at the battle ground. So, realistically, the single champon combat you see in this movie was not very likely to accomplish anything of a strategic nautre.

Robin Hood recognized this, and realized that he simply was not going to win against the English Army. Even if his men, outnumbered 4 to 1, did win the battle the English would simply send in more troops and win a second battle by sheer attrition. Robin Hood was running simply on luck by that point and he realized that his time ("borrowed time") was running out. What he did want was to kill the Sheriff of Nottingham; whom he personally hated (the feeling was mutual). This was the only thing left that he had a realistic chance of accomplishing. He knew the war was over; his Merry Men could not continue. Guerilla bands do not win against regular forces.

In other words, the "Battle of Champions" was there simply as an excuse for him to directly battle his old enemy. If Robin lost, well he did not have much time anyway. If he won, then he got rid of the Sheriff and helped relieve at least at little suffering of the common folk; who had labored under that Sheriff's authoritorian nature for 20+ years.

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Yes, it is a great sword fight, agreed. You can almost feel how heavy the armor and the weapons are, and how tired and desperate both Robin and the Sheriff become. The audience almost ends up being in the same position as Marian and John, looking on with fear.

I also think artisticengineer's point about the battle of champions is interesting. It adds that much more complexity to Robin's character, why he'd be choosing to fight even if he knows his men can't "win".

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While I'm thinking of it, here's some other great cinematic sword fights, to go on the list with Sean Connery and Robert Shaw's:

Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi in "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon"

Liam Neeson and Tim Roth in "Rob Roy"

Toshiro Mifune and Susumu Fujita in "The Hidden Fortress"

The fight outside the theater in the Gerard Depardieu "Cyrano de Bergerac"


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Great choices.

For realism, I'd say the best in Anglophone films are the fights in 'Rob Roy', 'Robin and Marian' and the better 'Robin Hood' of 1991 (the one with Patrick Bergin not Kevin Kostner).

I can't decide on which are my favourites from Japanese cinema the best from other ones, however I liked a lot of fights in the 'Samurai Trilogy' and the fights in 'Samurai Rebellion'.

A special mention goes to the sword wielding Max Von Sydow in 'Virgin Spring' even if it isn't a sword-fight.

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The fight scenes in Robin and Marian, Rob Roy and the Duelists, were all choreographed by the same man William Hobbs.

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"The fight scenes in Robin and Marian, Rob Roy and the Duelists, were all choreographed by the same man William Hobbs."

And they were all great! Hobbs is one of the best (if not the best) in the business.

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Yes, William Hobbs has a great resume of cinematic fight scenes. His work on Lester's "The Three Musketeers" and "The Four Musketeers" is also of note--take the duel between Micheal York and Christopher Lee in the latter--. Wise choice, bringing him onto "Robin and Marian".

Another fantastic sword duel is the climactic one in "Scaramouche"(choreographed by Fred Caven). Rapiers as opposed to broad swords and acrobatic footwork, but well done.


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