Sexually transmitted diseases
What could Fonzie have caught during the years of promiscuity?
I call herpes 100%.
What else?
What could Fonzie have caught during the years of promiscuity?
I call herpes 100%.
What else?
I always wonder about that too. Were condoms ever around in the 1950s? I think they were but, I'm not sure....
shareThey were but only for sailors. It wasn't in grocery stores/big box stores like now. Ironically show ended when AIDS made condom sales widely available in those places.
share"Only for sailors..." BS. Condoms were on sale behind the counter at the drug store. Condoms have been around for centuries. They used to use lamb's intestines back in the early days.
shareNot like now. yes condoms were around for centuries--but being behind the counter is NOT like now where anybody regardless of age or marital status can go and get them without permission from store personnel. Very big and very important difference which yes was hastened by AIDS/HIV. Communities were now able to claim they were trying to help stop a pandemic.
shareWeren't they in Milwaukee? That was a fairly bigger city, especially in the 1950's. It's not like New Haven, Connecticut (which I heard a man give a lecture about the Supreme Court case, and he said he went to Yale at the time and no one had problems buying condoms)
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Condoms were available in drug stores, but not displayed like today. They were not a prescription item but they were kept behind the counter. You had to ask for them.
In the movie The Summer of '42 (based on true story), the three young teen boys bought condoms from the local druggist.
Even back then, they were available in the bathrooms of seedy bars and roadhouses by vending machine. According to Wikipedia, the condom vending machine was invented in the 1920s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom_machine
'not today' is still different. Having to ask for them is still a big difference re access and or privacy rights--which people arent understanding.
One movie script doesn't accurately portay that it depened on what the druggist wanted to give people/if they thought the person making the request looked 'nice'.
Now the person can just decide for themselves. BIG difference.
And having to search for roadhouses and/or resturants would also be inconvienient---plus too there is an expiration date. Are people really going to drive to a specific type of resturant/road house to potentially see if a vending machine might be stocked with a condom?
I think you completely missed the point.
Condoms were easily and widely available in Fonzie's day (the whole point of this thread), just not put on display like other "sensitive" things like feminine hygiene products. The only difference is that you to specifically ask for them.
Having to ask for them is still a big difference re access and or privacy rights--which people arent understanding.
One movie script doesn't accurately portay that it depened on what the druggist wanted to give people/if they thought the person making the request looked 'nice'.
paying for something isn't the same as having to 'ask' permission to give money buy a 'restricted' item.
And anybody regardless of age can buy condoms now--which is another point of them coming out from behind the counter.
even if you cannnot always get to another place in another town (mobility, money) now you just need the correct amount of money. The store clerk does not ever have to know your reason. They only want the correct amount of money for the item.
Another aspect of the show that was grounded in pure fantasy. Traditional parents Howard and Marion would not want such a person to be around their kids for that reason (as an example to their kids) among others. If Howard were dirt poor then he would have needed a boarder but he owned his own business and mom and pop hardware stores did very well back then.
sharevery true.
But you also never see Fonzie drinking alcohol and in an era when doctors even smoked in their own offices while examining patients, lol you never see him light up either. He gets mad when Joannie starts cigarette smoking.
Even Mrs. C would have been smoking--including when she had been pregnant with both Ritchie and Joannie. We never see her light up either. Not in this version of the 50's. She's upset when Joannie takes up smoking.
Arnold's itself would be filed with smoke. Okay Al lets the club smoke indoors (there were smoking sections in the 1970's and 80's!) but they're the only ones in that restaurant---and it's not smoke-filled!!
Oh and there would be a cigarette machine for people to buy them there which incidentally would not check for age before purchase!!
The thing they did fairly well (and ironically in the later seasons) related to gender was when the guys have to escape from the girls dorm room in college because of the girls curfew. Women college students did have in loco parentis----unlike their male counterparts until the 1960's at many public schools.
I originally watched it WELL before I enrolled at college (in the 00's) when I never had that type of curfew. I pretty much did what I wanted and did not have a curfew and neither did my friends.
But the episode really communicates how frustrating, archaic, and absurd these policies had become.
They now 'trapped' the very same female college students which they were once set up to protect in the early 20th century. The dorm mothers were now being regarded as overprotective busybody wardens.
Because of those dorm mothers, the women students lacked freedom and were not treated as equals who had a 'right' to be in college.
The latter seasons often take a beating but this episode pretty much captured the unfairness of how women in college were treated in the 1960s. I think the cast etc drew on their own personal experiences and feelings. A lot of the cast/crew had themselves attended/graduated colleges in the 1960's when these curfews still did exist--and people had protested---and finally ended them.
so it was very convincing.
Even Mrs. C would have been smoking--including when she had been pregnant with both Ritchie and Joannie.
I like to imagine that Fonzie was a closeted gay and his pursuit if women all for show — making his irresistible appeal to women ironic. Or perhaps the women were in on it and acting as beards. He learned to be tough and fight well when he was younger as a survival tactic.
shareThat's like imagining that superman is actually evil, or that Batman is gay.... oh, wait!
shareI know it's a sanitized TV show but we never saw Fonz sleep with any of the women nor was it implied that he did. Maybe in the early eps of the first season where all the guys spoke about making it with women instead of just making out.
Anyway,
Herpes.
Syphilis.
Crabs.
The Clap.
Given condom usage was low at the time and not many women would have been on birth control he would have a successful baby franchise as well. Assuming he did actually have sex with the women.
I rather like the theory that he was gay.
Well, that is a good list.
I wonder how or if he cured any of those.
Let's be honest, the Fonz is a defiler.
Fortunately, the diseases that could eventually kill you were (mostly) easily cured with a shot of penicillin.
Ok but the Fonz looks like:
A- He has no health insurance
B- Does not trust doctors and medicine in general
C- Would try to snap away the bugs
"I wouldn't snap away bugs coz the Fonnnzzz, don't get sick! Heeeeeeeey!"
Cue audience applauding louder than usual and Richie gazing upon the Fonz ever so lovingly.
....then we cut to any of his casual sex victims at her gynaecologist visit, legs open with fire around her groins, saying in a dumb high pitched voice:
"I don't know doc, he promised that the Fonz don't get sick. I should have kown better by the looks of his red, pus covered thingy, I guess...". Laughter
The doctor, dousing his gloves with a gallon of antibacterial creme:
"yeah, yeah, yeah!". Applause.
"He, he, just was clicking his fingers and all these women would come running up to him. I thought maybe it was because he was a great lover or just had a huge dong despite being a shrimp in stature.."
*dramatic pause*
"But, a weird guy with red hair, called Mouth, I think... handed me some money and said I could have more if I just ran up to him like all of the others..then we went back to some old mans garage.. well the room above his garage and... Richie.. I think he said his name was.. he was setting up cameras..."
*Audience makes gasping sound*
"Potsie... he was cute but a real...well, Potsie. I was told he would acting today along with the Fonz."
...and how do you know The Fonz had sex with every, or indeed any of his female friends?
Perhaps 'making out' back in those days, was as far as it went, who knows?
Could it be, that are filthy & depraved minds of today choose to see everything through a 21st century lens?
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Nobody in the 80s had any doubt that he was screwing all those girls, and not just making out.
Are the 80s 20th century enough for you?
What a nonsense statement, that's your dirty mind dude.
Watch the whole series again, and you will discover some gems about Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli.
His whole persona was an act, sheer bravado, because of his childhood, it was a 'tool' he used to survive.
Yes he gets the girls, but whose to say the more 'respectable' natured Fonzie, the Fonzie that materialised in scenes with 'Mrs C' - isn't the real Arthur Herbert Fonzarelli that takes over when one on one, who knows ?
Happy Days was a family oriented show from beginning to end, so perhaps it's more of a reflection of your nature, & what you would have done with all those girls, rather than Fonzie.
Yes, it's quite possible he did indeed 'carve a notch' on his bedpost with every girl, but it's also quite possible he didn't.
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Hey, anything is possible. Possibly he was a closeted gay hiding his true nature, so he just took all those numerous enthusiastically horny girls in his apartment only to play monopoly. And they were all crazy for him, not because of his ability in the sack, but because of his ironing skills. That is quite possible.
What is very PROBABLE instead is what everybody else but you already got.
Wish we.could remake it realistically - Fonzie not a preachy moralistic liberal!
shareI never found Fonzie to be a preachy moralistic liberal.
shareIt was when they realized a lot of kids were watching that they started to make him more of a role model. The ep where he checks a book out from the library which appearently encouraged kids to read more. I am not saying the result is bad but a little out of step for what the Fonz was supposed to be.
shareOk but people change and a street thug like Fonzie clearly was influenced by his new well to do friends.
So, it might seem out of step but it's actually realistic and natural, even if with it was written with an agenda in mind.
I'd love to see the eps where that starts to happen although it was probably gradually. I remember the first season was a lot grittier than how the show progressed after that.
shareYes.
Obviously the first seasons were the best, with highest quality and soul.
But the huge success made everything more family friendly and more accessible in order to get bigger (and dumber) audiences, which meant dilute the uncut ideas in favor of bland ones.
Obviously Fonzie is supposed to be gritty. By the end of the show, he was anything but.
I noticed as I got older watching re runs every so often that the Fonz wasn't cool at all. By the time I became an adult I found it difficult to even watch lol.