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The sex scene is very unnecessary


I thought this was a very good film, but a few flaws prevent it from being a great film. The sex scene ruined it a bit for me. It seemed to be in there just for the sake of being risque, it did nothing to advance the plot, and it really didn't say anything about the characters. It was just there to take up time, shock people, grab people's interest who were bored with the dramatic parts.

It doesn't bother me that it's there, but the fact that it goes on for so long is just completely unnecessary. Yes, people have sex. But I don't watch films to watch people have sex. If it advances the plot, or reveals things about the characters, that's fine. But this is just sex, and it goes on and on.

Like I said, the film is very good, but this scene interrupts the mood of the film and is completely out of place.

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I think you have completely overlooked what the scene contributes to the film. Apart from giving the film an extra layer of intimacy the way it is done also encapsulates the impact their daughter's death has had on their relationship. The scene is intercut wth them getting dressed, so even when they are together they are alone and distant. Even when they come together in the most intimate way they are being pulled apart. The scene probably illustrates the gulf between them more potently than any other scene in the film.

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I also thought that, the way that they were together when they were making love, the scene implied that this was probably the first time in a very long time. It's a bit graphic, but I found it a very moving scene - and I'm really not someone who likes pointless sex or nudity in a movie.
Plus, there are some people who say that they way Julie Christie's hand is allowed to rest on her stomanch as she's dressing is as sort of "coded" message that she may have be pregnant afterwards. Which would be quite sweet ...

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You both make a good point, but even so, I think it went on forever.

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I loved your response :)


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I agree, its a great story, but the sex scene does nothing to advance the plot and is too long.

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Heres one for you.
All of the actions John Baxter does during the sex scene symbolises what he did while bringing his daughter out of the water.
E.g. The odd shoulder/arm pit move.

"We'll do it my way, faster and more inappropriate"

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@moltops:

Thanks for explaining. I too wondered what the odd shoulder/arm pit move meant.

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Reply to A Fistful of Pennies:
I'd much rather watch an "unnecessary" sex scene than than something with needless violence. Sex is a necessary-and fun!-part of life, which, for some unfathomable reason, some folks seem to have a hang-up about. I can understand if you've got kids who aren't quite ready for "The Business";), but not just because it's an erotic moment between two adults. It's also refreshing to see both the guy and the girl treated equally - sometimes these scenes can just be an excuse for some tacky T'n'A. Nic Roeg is a more intelligent filmmaker than that. At least they were married!:)
My point is that whoever censors films (especially in the U.S.) is more likely to cut a sex scene from a film rather than a violent one. Why?
And no one should complain about sex going on "forever". Aint no such thing - yeah, baby!
As an aside, it's interesting to note that the excellent George Clooney film Out of Sight paid homage (ie, ripped off ;)) the aforementioned scene between Clooney and J-Lo: it stands out as one of the most memorable scenes in the film.
Too much lovin' going on? I think not! I guess you can always skip it with your remote control, but I do wonder why...
Happy New Year, folks!
Don't have any unnecessary sex tonight, you animals (I kid, I kid!) :)

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Needlessly graphic? There is no penis not vagina shown. Americans are such prudes.

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"I'd much rather watch an "unnecessary" sex scene " (tnaflix,youporn,youjizz etc.would probably be a better alternative for you) If all that interests you in this story is unnecessary sex scenes .why bother with the story when you can just watch porn instead?

i agree its better then watching needless violence but watching needless sex if it isn't between two porn actors is just as pointless wouldn't you agree?.this movie has a solid story line i have to agree with the author of this thread that the sex scenes are drawn out and take up to much time whats more important .the main story line or the sex scenes ?.which do you think will be paid more attention to the story line or the sex scenes?.

It's obvious to me that the director thinks people like you and me viewers of this movie are idiots and don't understand or get the dynamics of how sex works between two people.That he has to go the extra mile to show us in graphic detail. Its evident that you like being treated like a child .

people like you drive home the very point of the reason why sex in cinema shouldn't be shown .If its not pornographic it serves no purpose its obvious to me you have and adolescent mind .it seems that the one thing you and director of this movie share .Your not smart enough for subtleties you need everything written out for you .This movie compared to Out of Sight ???? what laced weed are you smoking let me know i'd like to try some sometime .Making that very comparison is and insult to the two actors of "Dont look now" george clooney wishes he was as good as DS . anything that needs to be taken to the extreme in a film is not creativity it's just real t.v .why then would anyone need to bother with going to the movies to see that.when its freely available elsewhere

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It's obvious to me that the director thinks people like you and me viewers of this movie are idiots and don't understand or get the dynamics of how sex works between two people.That he has to go the extra mile to show us in graphic detail. Its evident that you like being treated like a child.

You can't be serious. The movie got an X rating, meaning it was to be watched only by adults. Of course adults know how to have sex.

i agree its better then watching needless violence but watching needless sex if it isn't between two porn actors is just as pointless wouldn't you agree?

Porn is mostly made for men. As a woman, I don't enjoy sex scenes in which men only concentrate on their needs and the women fake pleasure.
In Don't look now the characters didn't just have sex, they made love. I think it was beautiful and touching, just like the scene in The Piano.

Hey Andy, did you hear about this one? Tell me, are you locked in the punch?

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"The movie got an X rating, meaning it was to be watched only by adults. Of course adults know how to have sex."

the movie got and R rating do your research go to wikipedia everything that you missed is on there .It's obvious they need a step by step account of how it works according to the director of this film :/
yes movies with X ratings are to be watched by Adult's the specific purpose of making movies like that .Is that its made to show sex in a graphic way. Adult movies like this are centered around the explicit graphic nature of sex.which is fine if your watching a X rated film.

In the case of "Dont look now" the purpose was to suggest two people making love .what was the purpose of showing it in such a graphic x rated content ?.maybe instead of the R rating they should of gave it and X rating .
Anytime a movie has to go this far what stops its from going any further into being and "ADULT FILM" which is a separate genre .i don't think you would see Porn actor under donald sutherlands imdb profile title .

Julie christie didn't even want to do it why she did proves how easy and actor/actress can be taking advantage of and manipulated .Wasn't this movie supposed to a horror film anyways?

this movie compared to piano? are you *beep* kidding me ??? now those were love scenes .they didn't show as much as this movie did, Piano is pg 13 compared to dont look now .the Piano scene was a LOVE scene that was done subtly because after all .If a viewer wanted to watch explicit content they could just watch porn/Dont look now .

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My mistake. It got an X rating in Great Britain. You're arrogant and it annoys me that you don't use punctuation. I'm done talking to you.

Hey Andy, did you hear about this one? Tell me, are you locked in the punch?

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your ignorant .what does it matter what i am .if i had to chose between the two i'd rather be arrogant not ignorant like you .

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This from someone who has no basic grasp of how grammar works. Yes, you are ignorant and arrogant. The previous poster is from Britain where the rating the film received was an X. You probably believe all movies get one rating, guess what? They do not. Each country has their own system. So who is ignorant again? You. And the arrogant part does little to make you or your posts any easier to understand. You're (notice correct use of contraction for "you are" instead of "your." And before you whine about people correcting grammar, well it is how people communicate and correct use of "your" or "you're" or "their" or "there" etc. is something a (non) ignorant person learns the usage of by, oh, about 12 years old.

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i don't care where their from their ignorant so are you.

:Britain where the rating the film received was an X. You probably believe all movies get one rating, guess what? They do not:. any movie with this content in it deserves and X rating.Anyone who doesn't think it deserves that is just as ignorant as you and the like .
There is no greatness where there is not simplicity, goodness and truth. (Leo Tolstoy)

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As much as I love the film, and this particular scene, I think Nicolas Roeg is director who exploits his actresses, and there was definitely some exploitation here.

Apparently the sex scene was 'unplanned', which is basically Hollywood code for getting the actress to sign the contract first. On the day of the sex scene, a top Paramount executive just happens to pay a set visit i.e. should Christie refuse to do the scene they had a Hollywood heavyweight on stand-by to make it clear her career would be over if she backed out. So basically they have Donald and Julie naked on the bed, and four other guys standing around: the director, the exec, the photographer and the lighting guy. That must have been pretty intimidating for an actress that had never been nude on film before, let alone done sex scenes. From Christie's account on Wikipedia, she sounded petrified as the director shouted instructions to Sutherland: "pull her gown open", "suck her nipple"—and as Bart seems to recall penetration—probably "put your dick into her" at some point. Sutherland had form for banging his co-stars so presumably didn't have a problem with any of this. Warren Beatty famously went absolutely mental over it, and I think I would have too if my girlfriend had been semi-raped and filmed for a movie.

It wasn't the first time Roeg had put real sex into a movie, he got Mick Jagger to do something similar in Performance. Also, Jenny Agutter was very upset at how explicit the footage was when she saw Walkabout for the first time, and she was only 16 when she made that. This is a director who clearly took advantage of his actresses (it is notable that none of these women ever made another film with him, apart from Theresa Russell who he was married too), but that said he backed it up with real talent. Jenny's nudity certainly adds a certain je nais se quoi to Walkabout, and the sex scene in Don't Look Now creates a genuine air of intimacy that has never really been recaptured by any film since. I suppose it raises that old dilemma of whether the ends justify the means. If it counts for anything both Christie and Agutter speakly highly of these films today.

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Where did you get that information?
All I can say is that it really didn't seem to me like Julie Christie wasn't on board. She didn't look terrified or even remotely scared.
Also, if she was semi-raped, as you've called it, I don't think anything would stop her from admitting today what had happened when they made this movie. She wouldn't speak highly of it if it had been so horrible, would she?
And I think Warren Beatty had a reputation for being a womanizer and I can very well imagine him being the jealous kind of guy.

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Did Roeg really have so much weight to throw around that he could get Paramount executives to back him up on this? One would think the studio would value big stars like Christie and Sutherland more highly than a relative nobody Roeg and just tell him to axe the scene - and replace him in case of some further whining.



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I doubt Roeg would have had any power at the time. If a Paramount exec was on hand on the day they filmed the scene then I think you can safely assume that Paramount—or most likely Robert Evans—wanted the scene in and sent their man over to make sure it was filmed. Christie was a huge star at the time, so it was quite a coup to get her naked in a film; Paramount would know that the film would practically market itself, and maybe Evans had it in for Beatty and knew it would needle him.

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@Logan5.

I totally agree with you.

I don't know if anybody else noticed it: at the end of the scene, Sutherland has a very bitter smile, that fits very well with the scene and the context of the film, and reminds us of how much pain he was going through. I wonder if it was intended or casual.

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Roeg put it in because he thought that there were so many scenes of the two of them arguing.

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i don't agree with you - i think it symbolizes the spirit that the wife recaptures after having met with psychic blind woman and her sister, and that they have rekindled their passion, something that was clearly lacking after the death of christine.

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These people have clearly not had sex in a long time. And the fact that they now have once they've escaped the country into venice shows that they're still in love and that they have not been beaten by the recent events.

"We'll do it my way, faster and more inappropriate"

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Hi
You can see a very small part of the love scene if you follow the link provided below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayUgvgnCUUk
That's the best I can do so far.

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You can download it here:

http://cid-4c9107b582fe7c1d.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/dln.mp g

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L0GAN, we should be friends.

"I never dreamed that any mere physical experience could be so stimulating!" -The African Queen

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Kathryn! Nice to run into you, I haven't seen you over at Klute for while.

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Meh. Not much going on over yonder.

"I never dreamed that any mere physical experience could be so stimulating!" -The African Queen

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Filming this whole movie was "unnecessary", but that doesn't mean it was a bad idea. So the sex makes you uncomfortable - just because you have a hard time watching it doesn't mean that it doesn't contribute to the story. Other posters here have explained its significance. I also thought it was one of the sweetest and more honest sex scenes I've ever seen in a film, and for that it deserves recognition. It was a lot more real and intimate than typical "Hollywood sex", but without getting too explicit. I'd like to see this kind of approach toward sex scenes in film more often.

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Sex scenes in mainstream movies are boring and pointless. The acting can convey whether people love each other or not. Humping is for pornos and having a BIIIIIG wank.

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I agree, that's why most mainstream films feature only simulated sex i.e. acting.

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It's pretty pointless trying to justify this scene. Some people are just fearful of sex and can't accept it can have artistic merit or even narrative importance in a movie.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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Well actually you can justify it by the fact it's a classic scene. There are plenty of more explicit sex scenes floating around, but this one is renowned for its editing which conveys the intimacy between the couple. Most classic scenes are gratuitous. Look at Gone With the Wind, Selznick was fined for including swearing - "Frankly my dear I don't give a damn" - but it's an iconic scene now, possibly the most famous scene of all time. All artistic endeavours are justified by their impact and influence so in that respect the sex scene is an integral part of the film.

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I understand what you mean. I'm just saying, it's a waste of time telling that to people who clearly fear or (strangely) despise sex and can't look past it. I think it's a beautiful scene and its importance seems pretty obvious to me. People who start threads like this just won't change their minds, sex scares them and there's nothing to do about it.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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Read the OP's post again. They, like myself, think the scene went on way too long to have any sort of point. So stop reaching for the typical "YEA WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF SEX" card. That assumption is even more narrow-minded than what it's attempting to rebuke.


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Oh so there's a rule that states how long a sex scene should be before it becomes pointless?

A shorter scene would have been pointless. It needed to be long to show how important this is for the couple. This isn't just a quickie, this is the culmination of a period of loneliness for both, this is them coming together again after a long time.

If Roeg only cared about the sex, he wouldn't have intercut it with scenes of the couple getting dressed.

This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel.

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If your only criteria for a scene is to what extent it advances the plot, you shouldn't be watching any movie made in the 70's. The unnecessary soft core sex scene seems to be a requirement of the era.

In this movie, it is sort of necessary - because you understand this isn't just a couple hating each other, but two people who really care about each other. And that makes the whole thing tragic.

Also in defense of the sex scene - it's just nice for a change to see sex portrayed as an act of caring and love.

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Well actually you can justify it by the fact it's a classic scene.
Opinion.


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Opinion.


Actually by definition. If a particular scene is still influencing film-makers nearly 30 years on from its release, and still being discussed and included on lists of great scenes then by definition it's a classic scene.

From freedictionary.com: "1.c. Having lasting significance or worth; enduring."

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Filming anything is "unnecessary", we can say that any art is "unnecessary". If The Godfather has never been made, human civilization would survive. If Ben Hur hasn't been filmed the Universe would find no loss.

There is nothing "necessary" or "unnecessary" in art. It is the way the artist looks at the world, it i what he wants to tell us and make us see, hear, feel.

Sun in necessary, so is the atmosphere or water. Everything else is a personal free choice, and I don't believe there would be two same choices about things being necessary or not.

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