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Michael just drops the gun in restaurant with his fingerprints on it?


Michael just drops the gun in restaurant with his fingerprints on it?

I don't get it..makes no sense
There would be hundreds of ways to dispose of it

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But Clemenza put a special tape on the trigger and the butt. Leaving the gun with no prints is the sign that this was a mob job, so the Corleone Family (along with Barzini, etc) will catch the hell.

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what steely said was explained in the scene where Clemenza coaches Michael on the hit.

The reason why Michael dropped the gun was because they couldn't risk Michael being caught outside the restaurant with the murder weapon.

Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. -Michael Corleone

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Clemenza [holding up a .22] It's as cold as they come, impossible to trace. So you don't have to worry about prints, Mike. I put a special tape on the trigger and the butt. Here, try it...

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Looked like a .38 to me.

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Me too, besides a .22 might leave either of them alive long enough to gasp out Michael's name.

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looked like, but wasn't, plenty of .22s a revolvers that look just like that. a .22 would be a hell of a lot quitter too. if they had hollow points, it would blow their fking head off or at least put a huge hole in it. next time u shoot a .22 put some hollow point stingers in it, and see what they do to a watermelon or pumpkin, they'll change ur mind about .22s

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Quiet wasn't a concern. Clemenza told Michael that they left it loud intentionally to scare any bystanders away. You are correct though about .22s or other quieter rounds being used for many mob hits so as not to attract any extra attention.

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Fingerprinting would've even being invented for another 50 or 60 years... he was fine.

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When Clemenza was showing Michael the gun he pointed out that the trigger was taped over so as to prevent any fingerprints from showing.

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Oh try like the late 1800s

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Wouldn't be invented for 50 or 60 years? That would be mid 90's to mid 00's

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Fingerprinting would've even being invented for another 50 or 60 years... he was fine.

Fingerprinting became an excepted police practice by the 1910s.

Since the shooting in this film took place in the late 1940s 50 years would be the 1990s and 60 years would be the first decade of this century. Didn't think that one through did you?

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He was told that the gun was 'as cold as they come' meaning that the cold steel would not allow fingerprints to adhere to it. That is why is was hidden in the toilet's plumbing, the pipes acting as a radiator so as to ensure it's cold temperature.












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That scene always cracks me up. Michael was told "a million times" to drop the gun after doing the deed. As he leaves the restaurant, he most intentionally flings the gun at the last minute as if he's thinking, "oh, yeah, I'm supposed to drop this thing".




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If you notice, Michael actually performs the hit incorrectly. A number of things he was told, he didn't do.

1) He was told to come out of the restroom and immediately shoot both McCluskey and Sollozzo in the head, two shots apiece. He walks out, and absentmindedly sits back down for a moment. Then he stands back up, shoots Sollozzo once, Sollozzo falls over, and then Michael shoots McCluskey in the throat once and then in the head once.

2) He was told to walk out without looking directly at anyone, and it appears he stares at a waiter or someone a second after hesitating.

3) He was told to let his hand drop and let the gun slide out of his hand. He almost makes it to the exit before flicking the gun away.

But you can understand, this being Michael's first mob hit. It was sloppy but he did get the job done.

Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment. -Michael Corleone

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IN the book some of these issues get explained.

On sitting back down, it was a bit absent minded of him. But he also believed that Sollozzo had a guy there and if he pulled the gun right out he would have been shot immediately. He figured that if he sat down it would seem more natural. And he was right. In the book one of the other diners was a Sollozzo henchman and he got caught unawares. He basically puts his hands on the table to show he will take no action.

IN the book he only shots Sollozzo once because he realized the first shot killed him. IIRC, Mike's thought was he could see the life leave Sollozzo's eyes like he was blowing out a candle.

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all the expert hitmen on the godfather board lol. sure, youd do it just perfect. you guys would defecate yourselves if u were supposed to shoot 2 people in the head, let alone the chief of police and the head of another family.

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1) He was told to come out of the restroom and immediately shoot both McCluskey and Sollozzo in the head, two shots apiece. He walks out, and absentmindedly sits back down for a moment. Then he stands back up, shoots Sollozzo once, Sollozzo falls over, and then Michael shoots McCluskey in the throat once and then in the head once.

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^^^Actually, Michael did that right. Although he was advised to shoot when he came out. Michael realized that there were other Sollozzo men in the restaurant and that Sollozzo himself was alert of him. he sat down to disarm both Sollozzo and the other Sollozzo men in the room before getting up and killing both Sollozzo and McCluskey.

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Why didn’t the Sollozzo men take out Michael when he started blasting?

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presumably because it was too late, and I don't mean because their boss was already dead, I mean because Michael was in position to shoot them if they tried anything (the time they'd take to stand up and get their guns out, Michael, with his gun already in hand, would have shot - channelling his inner Biggie - 'while you're guns raising, mine is blazing')
I suppose they could have followed him out the restaurant, because, as Riraho says further down on this thread, "he makes a major production of flinging the gun down" so there's no way people will think he still has it (as Clemenza advised). Then again, as soon as he stepped out of the restaurant, the car came for him, so maybe it's a good thing for them that they didn't follow him out because if there were other Corleone people in the car, it would have been the end of Solozzo's hitters too.

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Hmmm. If Sollozzo really had men there then it’s bizarre that we didn't see any of them react at all to their boss getting his head blown off.

I think the movie version assumes there aren’t any.

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"Solozzo himself was alert of him" - this.
It's actually because Michael goes against the earlier advice of "you relax, you make them relax" that he has to adjust his approach - he seems to let his emotions get the better of him and can't contain his disgust with Solozzo when he refuses to guarantee no more attempts on his father etc. and blurts out mid-conversation, maybe even while Solozzo's mid-sentence, that he has to go to the bathroom, almost as if to say 'i can't listen to anymore of this'.
Solozzo, who has been as friendly as he can towards Michael all night, is now more hostile than we've previously seen him - Michael's attitude has him so on edge that he frisks him even though the experienced police captain has already done so.
Therefore Solozzo would have been hyper-vigilant when that toilet door reopens, maybe with a hand ready on his own gun if Michael did "come out blasting" as originally advised.
If Solozzo did have some henchmen in there, it's off-camera and down to speculation.
Doesn't matter if there were or not, though, because Michael still had to deviate from Clemenza's plan because he'd put Solozzo on edge. And fair play to Michael, he adapts brilliantly.

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I can't tell if you're joking or not, but...when a gun is described as "cold," it usually means that it can't be traced, not that fingerprints can't adhere to its surface. As to why Clemenza hid it in the old fashioned toilet box, that was to make it easy for Michael to locate, but difficult for anyone else to see or find accidentally.

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Actually, that is not what "cold as they come" meant in that scene at all.

In fact, a "cold gun" meant that it would be impossible to trace the gun based on the identification numbers that were kept on guns, as they are even today.

In short, a "cold gun" was one that so far removed from use (in this case "hot" or "heat" can be used as an idiom for how much use it had in fighting).

Both serial numbers on weapons, as well as forensic testing on bullets, were things to be studied by police before even World War 2 - so having a weapon that had been used in multiple crimes (something that the police would search for, especially after Michael killed a Police Captain) would be especially damning for Michael to have, as it would make the gun easier to "trace".

As for the temperature being a factor - that is not a an issue in this case.

A cold piece of metal will be more likely to have finger prints on it, because Michael's own natural body heat in his hand is the source of the natural oils in our skin that stick to surfaces and collect the natural pollen/dust in the air to create finger prints. A cold piece of metal will not stop the temperature in Michael's body from causing his skin to have oils in it which keep skin moist/flexible and - consequentially - let the oils stick to things like metal.

A radiator is used to move warm water through a building for heat - putting even a "cold gun" near a radiator would actually heat the metal of the gun, no matter how "cold" it was via temperature.

The pipes behind the toilet were not radiator pipes for warmth; they were the standard pipes used to collect water above the toilet and lower it down into the bowl below - as in an old fashioned toiler (sometimes called a "water closet") - and were a good place to hide the gun as no random customer in the restaurant would have any reason to reach behind the water tank to a toilet and feel around by coincidence - so it would be very unlikely that anyone would discover the gun by accident.

So to clarify - in this case "cold" meant the relative distance the weapon had from use in various crimes that could link the weapon to other killings; and since "use in crimes" is often referred to as "heat" then a "cold gun" is so far removed from other crimes that it should not be connected to anything else.

Finally, it was not a "new" gun that was simply purchased at a store at the last minute, to make sure that a police officer couldn't identify the gun via the serial number on it and trace it back to a shopkeeper and ask questions on who bought it and trace it up through the family that way.

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"cold as they come" doesn't refer to the temperature of the steel. It means it cannot be traced to any previous owner. It would be a dead end to police trying to trace where it came from and thus connect someone to the crime.

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When he said 'as cold as they come' he meant that the gun was untraceable.

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@tyrexden -
Yeah that's what I thought.

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Wow, you must have been sitting there, probably a Johnny Depp fan, wondering, "What's the big deal with this long movie?" and, wanting so hard to find mistakes, your ears flapped over your head when Clemenza said, very, very clearly, worth his weight in gold... a lot of gold... about the TAPE on the TRIGGER.

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There is tape on the handle and trigger. While he was reaching around to find it I thought there was a chance he might get prints on another part of the gun, but apparently he did not. They definitely had fingerprinting in the 1940s, certainly in the USA. They also checked guns for serial numbers, so they would have been filed off on this weapon to make it untraceable. .22 is a rather small calibre but apparently the bullets were dum-dums.

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Did you even watch the movie ?

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Honestly i can't help but feel that this was just a bait topic for a slow board because anyone who even half paid attention to the film should recall the scene where Clemenza explicitly instructs Michael to drop the gun and explains that it's untraceable and he need not worry about leaving fingerprints.

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He was told to do that by Clemmenza...who said he rigged it so it wouldn't keep prints.

But the funny part is that Michael completely goofs the whole thing -- he bonks shooting McCluskey after waiting too long, he makes a major production of flinging the gun down, he takes forever leaving and he even bumps into the camera on the way out (lol).

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