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Doesn't Stand the Test of Time


I really wanted to like this movie, but it seems that the point of this movie is vanishing with its era. I wasn't around when the movie was made, and as a result I just don't get out of it what others get. I understand what the movie is trying to say, but when I watch it the movie just doesn't seem to say much at all.

I'm sure someone would reply, "Well, you had to be there," but that's exactly what I mean by it becoming dated. Other "end of an era" films such as Once Upon a Time in the West are still nearly as relevant today as they were when they were made (barring the Henry Fonda twist.) Other nonconformist movies like Cool Hand Luke are still going strong. Even some car chase movies of the era like The Italian Job, Gone in 60 Seconds, and the Burt Reynolds flicks don't seem as dated as this.

"So it goes" -Slaughterhouse Five

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I think the themes of alienation, being overwhelmed by problems of losing a career (in this case a law enforcement career), and the death of a loved one are timeless. It is the setting itself which has vanished. With the advances in law enforcement communication, spike strips, and corporate radio stations which would never have a DJ giving constant updates AND support, this movie will never become a reality today. Long live the 440 HA HA !

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There's no mandatory "test of time". Many movies are made for their time period, and that's the only purpose they serve. It doesn't make them good or bad, that's a separate evaluation.

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Absolutely right!

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Yup👍

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I agree. I try to always watch films in the frame of mind they were produced in.

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Watch Dazed and Confused, jam out to some Skynyrd, study up on '70s culture, get some kickin' wheels, smoke a J, be young with a nice body, do the things you want to do in an industrial world where you can be anything you want.

I would give ANYthing to have lived in that time period. The music, culture, and just overall feeling of that entire decade is just directed at me, pity I grew up in the late 90s-early 2000s...

But a young man can dream..

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I would give ANYthing to have lived in that time period. The music, culture, and just overall feeling of that entire decade is just directed at me, pity I grew up in the late 90s-early 2000s...
I grew up in the 50's and in comparison the 70's were not all that great, believe me. The music in general was not up to the decade before it. Disco anyone ? After Watergate the mood and whole feeling of America was poorer than before. Don't get me going on the fashion. This was the worst decade for that in my lifetime.

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Not sure I would totally agree. I started driving in 1973 and for cars it was an unbelievable era. I'm talking used cars from the mid 60's til 1970. Muscle was in and affordable. Gas was still cheap though the 1973 Oil Embargo was the end of really cheap gas. Music was great too. Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Bad Company, Journey, Rush, Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult. Mountain, Deep Purple. What's not to like? Disco sucked among my friends from the beginning. It was Saturday Night Fever and the chicks that kept that genre around. Of course, if the Bee Gees can get you laid than put in the 8-Track.

We are all nostalgic for different time periods. I always thought the 50's and 60's would have been really cool to live through, exception being the Vietnam War. I'm a car guy and I love the older cars. BTW, As much as I like the 1970 Challenger in this movie, why the color white? Not very imaginative.

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Not sure I would totally agree. I started driving in 1973 and for cars it was an unbelievable era. I'm talking used cars from the mid 60's til 1970. Muscle was in and affordable. Gas was still cheap though the 1973 Oil Embargo was the end of really cheap gas. Music was great too. Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Bad Company, Journey, Rush, Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, Queen, Blue Oyster Cult. Mountain, Deep Purple. What's not to like? Disco sucked among my friends from the beginning. It was Saturday Night Fever and the chicks that kept that genre around. Of course, if the Bee Gees can get you laid than put in the 8-Track.

We are all nostalgic for different time periods. I always thought the 50's and 60's would have been really cool to live through, exception being the Vietnam War. I'm a car guy and I love the older cars. BTW, As much as I like the 1970 Challenger in this movie, why the color white? Not very imaginative.
I didn't mention cars, but then again the 70's gave us such greats as the AMC Pacer, the AMC Gremlin, the Chevy Vega, and the Ford Pinto. Cars from the mid-60's to 1970 really belong to the 60's. I remember gassing up my first car, a Ford Fairlane for 25 cents a gallon back in 1971.

Yes, there was some good music in the 70's, but the Beatles were gone and The Stones had already recorded their best work. The Mamas and the Papas and the Spoonful were gone. I guess this is all relative, but I like the music from the 60's better.

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Why a white Challenger in Vanishing Point? As stated by the director, white was chosen simply so the car would stand out against the background scenery in the movie. No other reason.

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I have to agree on this one. I watched it for the first time today, and I didn't like it at all. I grew up in the eighties with Smokey and the Bandit being among my favorite movies at the time, but this is no good in comparison.

Usually I'm surprised at how much a movie can actually stand the test of time (The Great Escape, Twelve Angry Men, etc.), but this time I was surprised the other way around.

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I'm 24, not really into cars, and just watched this for the first time 'n thought it kicked ass!!
Not really sure how this doesn't stand the test of time. Great music, great action/stunts, great cars (and chopper!!), great girls, and a simplistic story without too many details bogging it down (which also allows you to interpret/imagine the characters/motives/background however you like).

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Gringorilla,
your one viewing of this film sounds about right. The first time I watched Vanishing Point, I thought, "what is so good about this film?" A couple of years past and three viewings later, I began to get what others were going on about. For me, this will eventually become a great film.

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That's been my first experience of it also. I doubt I'll watch it a 2nd time to find out differently.

I enjoyed the music and I'm a fan of Cleavdon Little (knowing him from Blazing Saddles) and generally like any sort of car chase film.

This came up in a recommendation of 10 "1970s Typical Car Flicks" worth a look.

I'd watched Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry the night before and was enjoying it far more than this one despite it having many issues itself.

I had to stop half way through this to do something and popped on to the net to see what people thought of it.

I saw a comment that they thought the story was essentially about dying / purgatory and I probably enjoyed the film more having that slant put on it than I'd have done otherwise.

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I agree, it was very difficult to watch. The slang, the radio DJ's dialogue was absolute nonsense, the cartoonish gays being beaten, the exploding cars, the hilarious ending...

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Of ALL the "car flicks" you mentioned, NOT ONE has the following of vanishing Point. Not only don't you get this movie, you don't get car "flicks" either. The Fast and the Furious is 2 isles over in the teeny bopper section, look into it.



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I did not mention "car flicks." I mentioned "car chase movies." The purpose of quoting is to indicate that you are transcribing someone else's words as originally written. A "car flick" and a "car chase movie" are two different things. Namely, a "car chase movie" is focused primarily on one character being pursued by another in a car, while a "car flick" is simply a movie about cars. For example, Burt Reynolds' Smokey and the Bandit is a car chase movie, while Cannonball Run is not (it's a car race movie.) Clearly, you need to work on your transcription skills.

If you want to be pedantic about me referring to a group of movies as "Burt Reynolds flicks" (despite "flicks" being a perfectly acceptable word to describe a motion picture,) then I would recommend you wear a life preserver as you steer your boat among the "isle[s]" of your local retail store's ocean.

Now that we have that out of the way, you clearly did not read the post you are replying to. If you had, you would have seen that I was not comparing "the following" of any movies. I was comparing how "dated" several other "car chase movies" of "the era" (examples given range late 60s-early 80s) to Vanishing Point (1971). Were I trying to compare the "following" I would not have listed Gone in Sixty Seconds, which had pretty much faded into obscurity until its remake.

But since you brought it up, there is no way for you to prove this claim that Vanishing Point has the biggest "following" of the movies I listed. It does not have the most active IMDB board, nor the highest IMDB rating, nor does it consistently top lists against those other examples. In the absence of some objective measure of the actual size of the following of any given movie, all you have is an empty assertion.

Anyways, it appears you didn't "get" the post you were replying to. If you had, you'd have realized that I did indeed "get" this movie. What I didn't get was the "so what?" of the movie.

"So it goes" -Slaughterhouse Five

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File next to Easy Rider and Billy Jack for the best late 60s early 70s counterculture classics.
To really get emotionally involved, I think you had to be there.
The early 70s were a special window of time, especially for film and music.
The Mahavishnu Orchestra and Dirty Harry are two innovative examples .

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"To really get emotionally involved, I think you had to be there."
Which is exactly my point in the OP. If a film requires you to have experienced the exact context in which it was made to appreciate it, then the further you get from that context, the less relevant it will be.

Of the ones you listed I've seen Easy Rider and Dirty Harry. I feel like Easy Rider runs into the same problem: from the perspective of 2016, Easy Rider is about two guys who just do things for the sake of doing things, and then have a tragic end due to the consequences of their decisions. It just doesn't resonate unless you've lived in an era where freedom is doing a bunch of drugs, casual sex, and taking road trips.

Dirty Harry, by comparison, has become even more relevant with age. The tension it creates between a cowboy cop who is becoming burned out by ever-increasing rules, regulations, and politically correct atmosphere and a villain who is exploiting these obstacles for his own gain is especially prescient in an era where we are increasingly aware of extrajudicial police killings.

"So it goes" -Slaughterhouse Five

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"Dated" is not a bad thing. When I watch a movie from 1971, I expect it to look and sound like 1971, and to be about something that was interesting to the people who made it in 1971. That does not diminish its quality or entertainment value in any way. To expect a 1971 movie to be somehow tuned in to 2008 (when the OP posted) or 2020 (when I'm posting) would be naive, and display a complete lack of understanding of what art and entertainment are intended to do.

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Yeah this point OP is making is kind of weird.

I loved Vanishing Point. I watched it many years ago but still think about it frequently. The ending reminds me a lot of the Silver Dream Racer, but the difference between the two is that Vanishing Point was leading up to its inevitable end and even was literally about the existential measure of someone's resolve where they feel they've reached the vanishing point.

I thought the movie was working on a lot of different levels, and the fact the main character had accepted his fate was both calming and disappointing, but it made complete sense based on what the movie was about and what it was trying to convey from start to finish.

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