underage


i loved this movie when i first saw it when it was released and i was a teenager. i recently saw it again by chance on hbo and was excited to relive the memories, but it occurred to me as i watched it that it actually boils down to a woman having sex with an underage boy. mary kay letourneau?? how things have changed in the past 30 years. i know that the point was to be romantic and bittersweet and it used to be for me, but now i can't shake this other perspective because of the plethora of news about men and women having sex with underage partners.

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I have always prefered older women, first time I had sex I was 14 and she was 20. I lied and said I was 18, I have and had a very deep voice and got facial hair early so she had no idea I was lying lol.

Then later on when I was 21 I slept with a 41 year old. Never really occured to me in the past as I wanted sex as much as they did and older women just drive me crazy.

I enjoyed this movie and also one of my favorite movies ever, A Short Story About Love by Krystof Kieslowski.

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I did not like this movie. I saw it for the first time today.

To me it was an over-the-top Male Fantasy. I didn't think it was romantic or bittersweet when he had sex with the older woman, I thought it was creepy. My son is older now, but when he was 16 yrs old and if I found out he had sex with a neighbor lady who he thought he was "in love with", I would be really really upset with that woman, and would have her arrested.

I personally know someone who lost his virginity with an older woman when he was a teenager (I think 16 or 17), and it really messed him up (his words). He had trouble having a relationship with young women his own age. I know that is just one story, but still...

BUT my biggest objection:
I don't like these kinds of movies that perpetuate the male myth that when a woman is really upset (husband or boyfriend dies, or other serious trauma) the first thing she wants to do is have sex. Maybe men like to have sex when they are upset, but for myself and the women I know, when we are upset we don't want sex. Sex is the last thing we want. We want someone to talk to, we want to be comforted, perhaps with warm hugs, but certainly not passionate kisses, etc.

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Considering the fact that this movie was based on a real life experience by the author, I wouldn't classify it as "male fantasy".

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This isn't a documentary. The movie was "based on" a real life experience, the rest is imagination.

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Forget it. I can see that I'm dealing with an expert.

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I thought it was creepy and weird when I saw it, and nothing has changed my mind about that. It is pretty much the basis of the whole movie, that's what it's all building up to... the teenage hyjinx, etc all just asides along the way to "oh, boo hoo, I just found out my husband died, I need to *beep* a child right now." I saw this movie on a first date. Talk about a squeam-filled evening. It was on a double feature with "The Molly Maguires at a drive-in. We were with another teen couple that were in the process of breaking up. It was pretty much the beginning and end of our relationship, too. That was what MY teen years were like, not getting seduced by Jennifer O'Neill. But there's real life, and there's Hollywood, the main problem being the huge number of numbskulls out in the world that can't tell the difference. I just saw this ad for The Wonder Woman movie on imdb. Apparently see fights in WWI? What kind of Superhero would choose a side in that *beep* of a war? A really, really stupid one (they are actually all really stupid, not people to admire or look up to). And hey kid get off of my lawn

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The woman in question just learned her husband died in combat and was in mourning

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No one cared back then. Even when I grew up in the 70's no one cared. We had this perv who lived across the street from me and all the kids in the neighborhood knew it. He would walk around naked in front of young girls and boys and even called me on the phone once and would say obscene things. There was also a teacher in school who had encounters with a few of the other 5th grade girls. Like I said there was so much chatter about it, but very little ever happened except for all the talk.

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That sounds disturbing.

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By today's standards it was disturbing. Back then, we all thought the pervs were gross, but there wasn't much thought about any of us kids going to our parents about it. I told my mother I thought that our neighbor was the guy who called me and said sexual things, but she said no way it was him. I knew better, but didn't continue the conversation after she didn't believe that it was him.

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I agree with you. I think at that time the thought of actual child sexual abuse was so foreign and so horrific to people they couldn't grasp it. Some pervy guy flashing kids is much different than actually physically molesting or raping them. It wasn't until the 80's, when things started coming out, that people realized this was a real problem and it had to be faced. I think the movie Something About Amelia (1984) started the ball rolling. Then there was the McMartin scandal in the 80's. We'll never know whether any of that was even true, but it also brought child sex abuse out into the open and that it could actually be happening.

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This is a really large thread with lots of replies so forgive me if someone has brought it up already.

In the actual real life account of this film, Hermie did not have sex with Dorothy. They climbed into bed, and held each other throughout the night. The ending of this film was left slightly ambiguous as to what actually happened. We know something happened, but we don't know exactly what.

According to the author, it was the studios idea to change the ending in order to make it seem more like they had sex.

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It's been years since I saw this but to me it was suggested that they had sex. That's how I saw it. Interesting that the studio changed the ending but I know that happens all the time.

I saw it when I was pretty young and I remember it stayed with me for days. I just found the whole thing so sad!

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Yes, it's highly implied, but never directly stated that they had sex.

The writer of the movie said that the entire film was true.

Yeah, I still remember the first time that I saw it. It was 1991, and it was on HBO really late at night. I have no idea why I left it on (I was 14) but I did. I watched the entire film (and like you said) it stayed with me. I didn't see the movie again until over twenty five years later, but I remembered most of it. I put it on again a little over a year ago, but I had a hard time getting through the opening credits, as the nostalgia really got to me. I'll have to try again sometime when I'm ready (I had a rough year).

Another movie that is similar in some ways is Stealing Home. It has similar themes, and is (to some people) considered a light remake.

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I've never seen Stealing Home but I just looked it up and it sounds good, albeit another tear jerker. When I'm feeling strong I'll try to watch it, Netflix has the DVD, not streaming.

Sorry you had a rough year! I hope things get better for you soon.

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It's a good movie. Don't worry it won't make you cry. There's some sad moments, and it does involve death, but it isn't as emotional as Summer of 42.

Thanks :-) It's getting there.

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Apart from the tragic circumstances of their final encounter, this is the sort of thing teenage boys fantasize about. To be introduced to intimacy by a kind older woman is the ultimate experience. Lucky boy!

As for the question "what if it was a twenty-five-year-old man and a fifteen-year-old girl?", that might be different, or it might be the same. Girls are different, psychologically, from boys. The eighteen-year-old legal age of consent is arbitrary, not based on anything biological. In the case of either a boy or a girl, it would depend on the maturity level, the circumstances, and of course, sober, uncoerced consent. There is nothing black-and-white about it.

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