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Why are Kubrick's dialogue so dull?


I don't understand this man. Some of his films, e.g. Paths Of Glory, Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Strangelove, are all brilliant and truly great cinema. But then he makes movies like e.g. A Clockwork Orange and 2001, where the concept and story are interesting and the message is great with some masterful scenes, but many of the other scenes are so dull with boring character displays that eventually you loose interest in the film. I'm not interested in seeing a doctor signing papers, astronauts eating breakfast or a woman doing yoga in her living room. I don't understand why he makes these certain long and dull scenes, sometimes it's a like I'm watching a whole different director. What's the point really? If any of you Kubrick fans know then please tell me, and please spare the patronizing "you're stupid"-comments some Kubrick fans tend to throw at people. Thanks.

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I assume Kubrick was satirizing the real world, which is often boring for lots of people.

Yes, movies work better when they cut out the boring bits, but maybe Kubbers just wanted to add in some 'realism' into his film projects.

I agree that Clockwork is often really boring after Alex is captured by the cops: but the reality is, real-life thugs probably go through a lot of boring formalities inflicted upon them by the authorities once apprehended .

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I also think when Alex is arrested the "boring" stuff is to contrast the absolute freedom he had while with his gang with the mechanical control structure of incarceration.
The make good stylistic opposites.
Both build to his victimization in the third act.

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you like shiny things and lights and loud sounds and things moving fast like amusement parks or video games. We understand

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Ugh... Yeah how smart of you to discover that. If that's the only response you have every time someone criticizes Kubrick, then I understand why Kubrick fans are such *beep*

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Agree. That 20 minutes long apes scene in 2001: a space oddisey was one of the most boring experiences i've ever had. Yes, I got the whole point from that scene, believe me, but it was just so... unnecessarily long and dull.

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I feel like directors like Kubrick, Paul Thomas Anderson and some others don't put filler in their movies. I think virtually every word and scene have meaning and purpose and you have to think they put everything there for a reason...these movies all have subplots...so ask yourself why is he showing me this? Particularly in Eyes wide shut, The Shining, but really true of all his movies.
I love the long static scenes...gives you time to analyze the surrounding objects and subtleties. One comes to mind from ACO, the prison courtyard scene where they are marching in a circle..notice the pyramid on the brick wall. The typewriter changing colors in The Shining, the brand and it's meaning (Adler=Eagle). There are just tons of things like this that tie into subplot. The TV in the main lobby is not plugged in. You have to know Kubrick's attention to detail and pay attention to everything.

When you really pay attention the "boring and dull" parts reveal things. It's one reason Kubrick movies get better with each viewing. EWS is full of symbols, clues and hidden meanings...I am frequently pausing the DVD/DVR to catch them all. They do require some research and reading analysis to awaken much of this..otherwise you are only seeing what's on the surface and that may appear boring or meaningless upon first viewing. I see things now that I never had a clue about when I was younger and am learning to pick up on them faster/easier now. Sometimes I enjoyed a Kubrick movie, but wasn't quite sure why or what it really meant. They speak to your subconscious. I've been discussing Inherent Vice lately (PTA)...a movie full of little goodies, but it seemed boring and pointless at first viewing. It's got great subtle humor as well.

The Shining I never held in very high regard. It had an eerie atmosphere and great acting and visuals, but I never felt it was that much of a horror movie and was long and drawn out...seemed kinda dull...a movie about a crazy killer..meh...but once I started learning how to pick up clues on the subplots, I really was mesmerized by it. If you are just into movies to be entertained, then Kubrick's not for you. They are movies to be savored and revisited and analyzed. They reveal things that most people are not awake to.

I no longer can stand movies with lots of quick cuts, to the point you can't tell what the hell is happening (ie superhero movies). It's like watching a stroke light after a while.

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I agree--if Clockwork is 'too slow' for many modern tastes, then films like Captain America are just mind-bogglingly too rapid in the cutting dept. to take in properly, especially on the first viewing.

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Great points. I also find that movies like this are much more immersive than movies with lots of quick cuts. If you feel you can really examine an environment, it's easier to feel apart of that world, especially when the environments are so visually interesting as those of this film world.

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Kubrick did not see filmmaking the way most do. His first obligation was to the ideas. A Clockwork Orange needed to show the mundane to exhibit the decay of society. By doing that we cannot totally villainize Alex because he is a product of his environment. Ultimately the ideas are bigger than Alex. Is it entertaining to see how miserable life is in that hypothetical society? No but it's frightening and puts Alex's journey/evolution into greater perspective.

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I finally watched this and I agree there were some boring parts that were dragged out too long. The scene where the guy goes back to his parents' house could have been half as long and the stuff when he went back to the house they previously hit was so slow I didn't feel any suspense.

I honestly liked the all the paperwork and it became kind of funny by the end. Besides juxtaposing carefree ultra-violence with mind-numbing bureaucracy, it gave us peak into the psyche of the prison guard (forgot his name).

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I find it surprising that you wouldn't feel any suspense in that scene. I can only suggest you watch it again because Kubrick really did a masterful job of building suspense. Perhaps you were not in the right mindset the first time. When you're used to watching newer movies with different pacing, it can take some time to adjust.

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I get what you're saying, but when I finish watching these films, I feel like something has happened that is greater than the sum of its parts. Somehow, in aggregate, all the tedious, menial activities in 2001 and Barry Lyndon create something extraordinary (I don't remember ever feeling that ACO had these kinds of moments, personally) that stays with me a lot longer than if those scenes had been reduced, rearranged, or recut to the bare minimum necessary to tell the story. Maybe it's because they set a mood that casts a kind of spell over me. I can't really explain it in terms of craftsmanship, but this is how I feel about it.

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