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Is it weird that I find the rape scenes erotic...


Of all the rape scenes in this movie, I find them disturbing, and erotic at the same time..Especially the billy boy rape scene and the singing in the rain scene...At first I find them really disturbing, and then I keep watching them and they turn me on in a weird way..Is it because of the music, the tone, or the great bodies of the rape victims, I don't know..

Great movie by Kubrick though, very thought-provoking and gives an insight to the dark nature of society..9/10.

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the rape/attempted rape scenes are not very realistic and just look choreographed and inhuman to me, but I suppose that was the desired effect.

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Yes it definitely has a eerie and erotic feeling to it, for some reason I find it very titilating..

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I thrink Kubrick deliberately tried to make the sex and mayhem in this film attractive to highlight the hypocrisy of the establishment figures in the film going on and on about how normal people react to such scenes with revulsion.

Also, I like the reaction shot of the prison guard to the girl in the demo scene.

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No, it's not weird if you're a man.

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Do all men get aroused in the rape scenes or is it just me?? I'm kinda confused on whether the rape scenes to arouse or disturb..

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Sometimes I skip past the rape scenes, other times I take it all in. I dont really enjoy them but sadly rape is a part of human nature whether we like it or not.

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It's weird, sometimes I get really disturbed by the rape scenes and I felt sick like Alex later did, but other times I kinda felt a vibe of porn in the rape scenes and I jerked off to them, especially in the Billy boy rape scene. The rape victim's got such a hot body and the way they moved her around with her boobs jiggling, and her screaming kinda sounds like moaning, it turns me on...Other times I felt sick and felt for the poor beautiful girl who had all her clothes taken off in such a cold weather..It's just weird I felt both feelings a lot of times..

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I'm sure the guys 'acting' in that scene enjoyed their job a lot more than we viewers enjoy watching their 'work', but I agree even if the actress was an exhibitionist, it could not have been much fun her being naked in winter when they shot this.

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Seeing naked flesh is a turn on for many men, whether it's eroticised or not, which it certainly isn't in this movie. Had Stanley Kubrick focused less on breasts and vagina and more on the victims' reactions to rape, it would be much more horrific in my opinion.

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Whatever floats your boat, I'd say. As long as all involved are into it... :)

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Yes, that’s really fucked up and you should seek help.

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Why?

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Why not?

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Innocent until proven guilty.

You made the accusation.

Where’s your proof?

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I never made any pronouncements over innocence or guilt, nor did I accuse anyone of anything. Why would I need ‘proof’ of something you pulled out of your own ass? Obnoxious twat.

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You accused his actions of being fucked up and so he should see a psychiatrist.

Fucked up how?

And why should he see a psychiatrist?

What’s your reasoning?

Are you a psychiatrist?

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What ‘actions’? What the fuck are you talking about?

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What the fuck were you talking about when you said, “Yes, that’s really fucked up and you should seek help.”

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The OP 🤷🏻‍♂️

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And what did you mean by it?

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Just read it without pulling other meanings out of your ass and slapping them on top. It’s quite simple.

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No. You were slamming him for his opinion.

Why?

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No, dickhead. I answered his question and advised him.

Shove your straw-question back up your ass, creep.

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...the fuck did I just read...

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Oh you didn’t just read Kamala Harris’s book did you? 😳

I hear the same reaction from anyone who does.

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It’s the nudity, not the violence.

You know no one is getting hurt so you enjoy seeing the naked women.

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Precisely. I feel the same way as OP. The woman in the abandoned theater is gorgeous. The writer's wife is also very attractive. The two who consensually sleep with Alex are also quite fetching, but the film is so sped up you can't really see anything. But all of the women who are shown topless or completely nude are attractive, so it is expected that men are going to be turned on by them (even if they're shown being raped.)

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Exactly!

Interesting note:

In the book, the two girls Alex picks up in the shop and has sex with are only 10-years old.

So obviously, they had to change that. Thankfully.

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Yepp, I remember that from the book. I actually have two copies: one for me and one that my 15 year old son is currently reading. They probably could have stuck to the original story and kept the pedophilia in there, and implied sex without actually showing anything. But I think Kubrick correctly judged that such an act would render Alex completely irredeemable in the audience's eyes. And I think Kubrick was fascinated with the idea of getting the audience to identify with or at least empathize with Alex. As it stands you can just ... just cross the bridge to feel sorry for Alex in light of that which he went through after the misdeeds he committed. The calculus, so to speak, allows him just enough 'points' to make us feel that his punishments did not fit his crimes. That, and the charm of the actor playing him, Malcom MacDowell.

However, if it were implied that he picked up two ten year old girls and had sex with them, no amount of retribution would be enough in the eyes of the viewer. I don't remember if I felt much sympathy for the character in the novel, and that may have been because of the pedophilia. I'll have to reread the book and see if Anthony Burgess manages to persuade me notwithstanding that inclusion of that crime. Either way, I still thoroughly enjoyed the book.

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If you can't get a twenty-year-old girl.

...get two at ten

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Seeing and attractive woman naked and wiggling around is sexy.

However, that is not how rapes tend to play out.

I work in psychology and have met many women who have gotten raped. Usually, they get their faces punched in while it's happening and you tend not to see that in movies.

I assume that's because the filmmakers have fantasies about rape, but have never met anyone that has happened to, so we get sanitized rape.

Another postered mentioned that ten year old girls got raped in the book. That would have been better to sell the point of the movie. A hot girl in sexy clothes getting raped seems like she's a female version of the thugs involved and it's part of her average day.

In the movie/book they called women like this Debauchnicks meaning they were involved in "Debauchery" and that would apply to adult women living the crazy lifestyle the guys did. If they were ten year olds that would mean the main character was projecting his values onto innocent people, and that would have sold the theme of the movie.

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I think the Nadsat word you intended is "Devotchka," not "Debauchnicks," and it simply means "girl." So, while not children, I do think these women were victims regardless of their age and sexy clothes.

https://courses.nus.edu.sg/course/ellpatke/en4241/nadsat%20dictionary.htm

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https://www.velvetthunder.co.uk/walter-egan-pluck-red-steel-music/

I recall the main character using the term in the film.

The term is used in the article above, and I believe it was from the film.

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The hyperlinked article is a review of Walter Egan's latest album, Pluck, and refers to a one Michael des Barres as Pamela des Barres' sometime husband and "rock debauchnik and Silverhead front." There is no reference to "debauchnik" being a Nadsat term from A Clockwork Orange and no mention of A Clockwork Orange at all. I do not recall Malcom MacDowell ever using the term "debauchnik" in the film or any other character using that term. I do wonder if some of the accents/pronunciations of "devotchka" might have sounded like "debauchnik" to you? But the article you attached does not indicate the term "debauchnik" was from the book or film, A Clockwork Orange. I have no doubt it is a word, but I do not think its source is A Clockwork Orange.

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Are you an idiot?

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You're the one trying to pass off a random album review for a source of your Nadsat fantasy!

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It does not appear in the official Nadsat glossary or in another Nadsat dictionary I found, so I'm gonna vote no!


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:A_Clockwork_Orange


https://courses.nus.edu.sg/course/ellpatke/en4241/nadsat%20dictionary.htm

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Thanks, SamNoyoun. You get it.

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