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Am I the only one who hated this?


I love the story and source material, but this version really falls flat. For starters, it's a musical with songs that are so lacking in any technical or affecting composition that each time a character starts yet another obligatory talk-sing-I'm-Rex-Harrison-in-My-Fair-Lady song you cringe. I like Finney as an actor, but his Scrooge can't be affecting because the universe he inhabits is just so ridiculous and silly. The ghosts are over the top (mostly in a bad way) and the ghouls with Marley and Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come Grim Reaper are cheap, bad left over from Halloween props. Also, the child actors. Tiny Tim's song is painful, and the child actors are just bad (does that make me a horrible person?)
So... am I the only one?

-Bryan

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It has been so many years since I was the silly, stupid critic of art and specifically films like this. I now realize that musicals which by the way are no longer being made, are on a level that is virtually critic proof. They are a derivitave of the BROADWAY musical tradition which so many of us cannot experience very easily. And as such, they serve a wonderful purpose, that of providing a visual equivalent, that is never like the real thing, but often a lot of fun. In this case, there are so many elements that are just are very likable and sure to bring a true cineaste some real pleasures.

What really turned me around is the film, Umbrellas of Chebourg. So if you have not seen this, and completely surrendered to it, I suggest you do.

And in this case, the film is silly, nuts and beyond belief. I love it.

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You're definitley in the minority. Most of the people I know (including people who hate musicals love this movie, and don't consider it Christmas without seeing it. As for your Rex Harrison comments: Rex was actually in line for the role of Scrooge before Albert Finney came along. This might be the reason that it's songs are structed in that way.

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As a HUGE love of Dickens' classic here I knew I had to get this out of my system, and I can say I'm glad I did. I enjoyed it enough, and the fact that I have several very faithful adaptations that I can enjoy doesn't leave me really hurting over its loose basis to the original story. I do have to say that Finney's old Scrooge makeup did look way fake, and his hunching seemed a little deliberate. I agree with a previous poster that the hell scene after meeting "Yet-to-come" was quite TOO much. I may see it again, but it will probably be another year or two.

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I see that you posted your topic 2009 with the last response dated this year. So I'll hit a couple of keys to your topic.
First, what is your age? Seems that you are from Titanic period which my put your birth at 1977? So...your comments are post Scrooge (1970) which relies on reruns or rented videos (VHS,Beta or DVD)? I'll keep this and the same paragraph so an not to jumble up train of though. The singing and dance? Where did you figure it was worth cringing? Story line? It's a Christmas story! What did you expect? As for my age at the time...21 years old. Nearly died from the Flu that killed both my grand fathers with me catching the damn thing weeks later after watching Scrooge at the theater.
So..I would like to think, yes you're the only one.
Later, GGC's

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"21 years old"
I saw this a umber of tiumes in theatres and TV then..and I LOVE it.

I think though that the Ghost of Christmas yet to Come's final scene, by the grave, ought to have been really nuts..Id haave ti in 3-D with the skeleton head by ITSELF, instead of HOODED< anfd clos eup for 10 minutes (can ya imagine, the longest still ewvah..and kids woul;d be wettin' their little panmts seeing a skull, before Scrooge falls into heck, and then wakes up. Hey, the end would be much MUCH happier for Scrooge at the end, more hellacious as the final visit with a ghost would be,right?)And then Ebenzer could sing, "I like life, no, I LOVE life', as he had been spared..!

So as the songs say,.. I like Life and Thank You very Much!!

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I really dont get the logic in visiting a forum for a film you say you dont like...just to share with the world that you don't like it. If you don't like it...why visit the page?

Are people that egotistical that they feel the World really gives a crap if they don't like a film? get over yourself.

I don't like Banana's, but i won't go to a banana loving site and say "is it just me? i hate banana's"

Me? i love the christmas carol story. Its not about songs. its about how you feel after watching each version. Its about going through that journey and realising that its never too late to make up for your mistakes.
Albert Finneys Scrooge is rather pathetic, but that's how Finney perceived the character, as do i. He wasn't an evil man... just a sad little man who let the hardships of life take over his heart.


Does the movie lift you? i think so.

The changes in 3 songs from the pre ghost scrooge is brilliant.

Father Christmas... at first aimed as a sarcastic joke, ending as an honest opinion of scrooges transformed personality.
Thank you very much. First sang in gratitude of Scrooge dying, then for ridding the community of their debt.
I hate life becomes i like life.


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I really dont get the logic in visiting a forum for a film you say you dont like...just to share with the world that you don't like it. If you don't like it...why visit the page?

Are people that egotistical that they feel the World really gives a crap if they don't like a film? get over yourself.

I don't like Banana's, but i won't go to a banana loving site and say "is it just me? i hate banana's"


This is a forum to discuss the movie, not just to praise it. One can disagree with the OP, but s/he is perfectly allowed to express a dislike for the movie. Diversity of opinion is what makes places like this interesting.

This is not my signature. This is IMDb's automatic translation of my signature.

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Well, I'm sure you're not the only one, but I personally love it - I've seen as many versions of A Christmas Carol as I've been able to, and the only one that I find to be just about as good as this version is the George C. Scott TV movie.

And if you don't think that Thank You Very Much or I Like Life are good songs . . . well, I'm very surprised.

10/10 from me on this film!




"Gentlemen! We can't *all* be the Honey-Nut Cheerios honeybee!"

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Don't get me wrong,
The only thing that failed, is they tried to hard to do another Oliver!
Outside all the unneccessary music fluff
it is still the best told and produced version

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It's funny you should mention Oliver because I thought that the movie seemed like it was trying to be it as well.

To, the person who created this thread: I thought that this movie was pretty bad as well.

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Yes, you are the only one who hated this film, and yes, you this makes you a horrible person. Well you asked.

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True. And don't ask a question you don't want the answer to.

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I hope you know that I was only poking fun. To each his own. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla.

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I hadn't watched this since I was a lad. I did not necessarily have high hopes of it standing up to my memory of it but even then it was a bit of a disappointment.

Even making special consideration for it being a musical cannot make up for the seriously wonky moments and ideas. I'll try to be as fair as possible.

It's a musical so it's useless to criticise some of the things particular to this version as they are standard film-musical stylings and when done well they can elevate films of this type. Scrooge is very colourful and, for the most part, the budget for the film is up there on the screen. The sets and most of the costumes look great. The musical in fact allows the story to be told bigger than life which is consistent with Dickens' writing which was never meant to be naturalistic or realistic. They were meant to be caricature. So the format and style are quite suited to telling A Christmas Carol. Albert Finney's acting performance as Scrooge is fine from beginning to end. Mostly.

Unfortunately for this film-musical, the things that really let it down are the music and the filming. With the exception of Thank You Very Much and some of I Hate People, the songs are entirely forgettable. The tune which Scrooge sings in his old classroom betrays the intention for Rex Harrison to have played the title character and has little impact when delivered by Finney. During the Happiness song and most of the Fezziwig flashback, the younger Ebeneezer looks like a walking tailor's dummy or one of the pod people from Invasion Of The Bodysnatchers, totally unengaged and lifeless. In this respect at least Scrooge departs from the book and I can't think of any good reason for this. It's just puzzling. I know that musical theater and film always involve a little ironic nod to audience to allow you to not take it too seriously, but Sir Alec Guinness's performance seems completely out of place even in a jovial extravaganza such as Scrooge. What is he doing? Mincing about like a guy on an imaginary hobby-horse?. I know he's a ghost and ghosts have licence to be weird in one way or another, but again this is just puzzling.

For a big budget ghost story movie the transitions between Scrooge's chamber and the visitations of the spirits are rather uninspired and lazy. Apart from the ghoulish nature of the spirits which Marley and Scrooge fly amongst and the spirit of the future's rather laughable (or shocking depending on your point of view) revelation at the end there is no attempt to use technique to make Scrooge's hauntings as vivid , in a filmic sense, as they ought to be. No attempt has been made in production to have scenes blend together in any delightful or satisfying manner. It's a pity because, like I said, the movie is almost a visual treat thanks to the large format filming but there is no cohesive visual sense throughout.

As for the hell sequence. A bit of artistic licence is always allowed. The idea of Scrooge being the devil's clerk and locked away in an infernally freezing tank to account for his life for all eternity is a clever idea. What's not so clever, (apart from Sir Alec's baffling weirdness), is the less than impressive set which looks like it was built for a Doctor Who episode years before and meant to have been shot in black & white video. It cheapens the film considerably.

I don't hate this movie but I don't agree with some of the posts here which credit the fidelity of the film to the original story. Here's why.

* Bob Cratchit's wardrobe - makes him look like he was one of Scrooge's nephew's dinner guests. That coat alone would have cost him about two months worth of his 15 bob a week wages.
* The Ghost Of Christmas Past is suffragette. Why? In the book it is a spirit with the appearance of a man that Scrooge cannot quite be sure if they are very old or very young and they carry a cap which Scrooge asks them to put on and dim the light they give.
* The Ghost Of Christmas Past only seems to advise Scrooge to take a drink an lighten up. What happened to ignorance and want and "doom"?
* The whole point of the future spirits visit is that Scrooge is shown how unkind people might be about the death of someone who is seen to be unkind in life but Scrooge is not aware or won't acknowledge that it is his death , and not someone like him, that is being foreshadowed. The idea that he might unwittingly share the celebratory mood is nice but it does not work on its own. The hell scene in no way makes up for this.
* There is doubt in Scrooge's mind as to whether it all really happened or not. Why is this added? It does not appear in the book in fact Scrooge is quite unequivocal about his experience.
* Lastly, this is a fault of quite a few adaptations actually. Scrooge is shown in the end as a suddenly gregarious nutcase running through the streets and engaging everyone in his own merry capers as if they had no choice. For a film-musical this is understandable but for me it does not resonate as well if Scrooge does not show a little bit of contrition and hesitancy when gallavanting with people he'd previously rebuked.


@Twitzkrieg - Glasgow's FOREMOST authority

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No you are NOT alone! And you pretty much nailed everything I hated about it. I have nothing to add.

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