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Am I the only one who hated this?


I love the story and source material, but this version really falls flat. For starters, it's a musical with songs that are so lacking in any technical or affecting composition that each time a character starts yet another obligatory talk-sing-I'm-Rex-Harrison-in-My-Fair-Lady song you cringe. I like Finney as an actor, but his Scrooge can't be affecting because the universe he inhabits is just so ridiculous and silly. The ghosts are over the top (mostly in a bad way) and the ghouls with Marley and Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come Grim Reaper are cheap, bad left over from Halloween props. Also, the child actors. Tiny Tim's song is painful, and the child actors are just bad (does that make me a horrible person?)
So... am I the only one?

-Bryan

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I respect your opinion but I'm sorry you feel this way. Musicals to me don't have to have great songs to be effective. They're suppose to help move the story along and in my opinion the music in this movie succeeds. The song "I'll Begin Again" clearly demonstrates how Scrooge will repent for his past sins and will be kinder to his fellow man. By the way that song was covered by the great Sammy Davis Jr. who thought highly of the tune. "I Like Life" definately pushes the story forward with great humor and was performed well by both Kenneth More and Albert Finney. I'm surprised you don't like "Beautiful Morning". It's short and sweet and expresses how Tiny Tim wishes his world was. Maybe the actor who played Tiny Tim could of sung the song better, but it's a perfect kid's song. "Thank You Very Much" is a show stopper and you could make a case it doesn't belong in the picture but the melody and lyric is very catchy and most people seem to love that song. My advice to you is to watch this movie again and appreciate Albert Finney's performance. He was only 34 years old at the time and he makes you believe he is 60 years old by his body movements and speech patterns. Granted not the greatest singer, but nobody played Scrooge with as much emotion as he did. Listen carefully to the lyrics more and you'll see that the songs do help push the story forward. The movie will grow on you. There are alot different things you discover that you'll like that you may have not of noticed the first time you saw this picture. P.S. you're not horrible by not liking this picture.

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Yes, Tiny Tim's song is a tad on the painful side but, for me, this makes it all the more believable...

And the film has 2 of the greatest ever musical songs for me - Thank You Very Much (which, as I'm typing this is playing in the background while my kids sing along!) and I Like Life.

Obviously you're not the only one to dislike it - just look at the scores for that - but you're probably well in the minority!
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There's no more room in hell...

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I have most of the ''Christmas Carol'' films on dvd-but this one has been my favorite since I saw it on the big screen back in ''71.

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I think some of your criticisms are quite right. But this movie is otherwise so well done that they're forgivable. The sets and photography alone are enough to recommend this.

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Yes Brian, You are a horrible person. Now hold still while I run this stake of holly through your heart.
I have loved the this story since I read it as a child and have watched almost every version of it on in the movies or on television. I believe there are only 3 that are true to the original story: "Scrooge" with Albert Finney, "A Christmas Carol" with Alister Sims and an animated version made in Australia in 1970 that follows the original drawings.
I wanted to like the Patrick Stewart and George C. Scott verison but find too much of their own personalities overshadowing the charactors.
I agree with one of the other comments about Tiny Tims song, it is more believable because it is not polished. It is a lonely cried for something he will never have.
Whether you ever grow to enjoy the movie or not I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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I do not hate this movie because there are some individual parts of it I like. But unfortunately with each viewing I give it, it seems like the things that bother me about it just keep sticking out more and more.

1-Alec Guinness is sad to say, the worst Marley I have ever seen in any production. His whole manner doesn't suggest a drop of pity for his former partner and supposed friend, but instead, especially in that terrible and unnecessary Hell sequence, an impish fop taking sadistic pleasure in seeing Scrooge get comeuppance. It's a performance that rings false to what Marley is supposed to be.

2-There is a strange lack of focus on what the "true meaning of Christmas" is supposed to be about in this film, and I'm not simply talking about the total lack of reference to the birth of Christ (we lose for instance even those small points that reminded us of this like Bob and Tim returning from Church and Bob sharing Tim's observation about hoping they would see him as a cripple so they could remember on Christmas who made lame beggars walk and blind men see). Where is the sense of humility and charity and the spirit of good will that Christmas embodies and which the source material talks much about? It seems like the only thing Christmas stands for to all of London is partying, getting presents and getting drunk. Indeed, the whole tone of the "Christmas Present" segment gets neutered beyond belief in which all we see is Scrooge getting giddy over drink and being made to "loosen up" but he gets no reproach from Christmas Present with the children Ignorance and Want. What a cheat it was to not get to hear Kenneth More (in what was otherwise an excellent performance) deliver the mocking refrain of the line, "Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

3-The Christmas Past sequence is sloppily paced. And a big mistake in not having "Happiness" be a duet between young Scrooge and Isabel because that would have sold the credibility of their actually having had a romance. All we see is Scrooge looking quite indifferent or blankly through their "courting".

4-The Hell sequence. Ugh. For twenty years of TV viewings this was always cut and it's not difficult to see why. It's over the top, cements the awfulness of Guinness's performance as Marley and it also robs us so much of the haunting effectiveness of Scrooge alone in the graveyard. So much great Dickens dialogue lost.

5-And maybe I just prefer things done more simply, but I prefer seeing a more low-key Scrooge waiting to surprise Bob until the day after Christmas than a big production number through the streets.

There are good things about it. But the 1951 Sim version and Scott's 1984 version blow all others away IMO.

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Good points made by Eric, although there are aspects of this film I like too. I also object to Alec Guinness's hammy depiction of Marley (totally inconsistent with the story), the hell scene (where we have Marley amused and gloating over Scrooge's punishment, as opposed to the actual story where Marley fervently seeks to give Scrooge a chance to be spared such a fate and would NOT have been amused), and all the focus on partying and presents. I agree, the goal of the Ghost of Christmas Present wasn't intended to be getting Scrooge giddy with drink so he could loosen up!!!

This may be nit-picking but, while Edith Evans may be an acclaimed actress, I objected to dressing the Ghost of Christmas Past in that velvety red dress, totally out of keeping with the story -- and for what purpose such a drastic change?

I didn't really think much of the finale either, the big parade around London with Scrooge (ridiculously, IMO) donning a Santa Claus suit. I also prefer the simple morning after Christmas scene with Cratchit at Scrooge's office. Obviously, there's such a thing as artistic license but the Santa Claus suit looked quite out of place as mid 19th Century London would have had no red suited Santas giving out gifts. It's as though the creators felt they just couldn't make a Christmas movie without Santa! No Ignorance and Want but we absolutely must have Santa!!

All that being said, there are some catchy tunes and Albert Finney gave a good portrayal of Scrooge. It was novel to have the same actor able to play both the young and old Scrooge. This version has my favourite Fezziwig and I thought the movie did a good job at depicting Scrooge's grief at having lost Isabelle.

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So... am I the only one?
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Over 80 people rates this movie at a 3 or worse. You're not the only one, just in the minority.

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You're NOT alone! I hated this when I saw it as a kid back in 1970! Seeing it now as an adult it's even worse! All the songs and score are completely unmemorable with the sole exception of "Thank You Very Much". Finney is as good as he can be with this (which is not very) and Tiny Tim's "singing" was absolutely horrible! Even the energetic dances came off as dull. Too long too. So--no--you're not alone. People seem to forget this was a bomb when it came out and critics savaged it.

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While you two are not alone (unfortunate as that is) I am very happy to say you are in a minority. Yes critics at the time may have deluged this with overly-detracting lamentations all launched over and over, but all the negative jibes and I do mean all were very wrong and overly prejudging, and many of those critics have altered their original views of the film since the films release. There is a simplistic reason... this version just grabs hold of so many. It does it for oh so many reasons, and does so year after year, but it really comes down to that this version has true heart. I am also not sorry to say this has been a firm staple for me and mine for over 30 years, I have owned it in every single format released. 'Mine' also includes numerous family and friends and each would say we do so more than once during the holiday season, trading locations but enjoying over at everyone's home in turn. This truly is first and foremost "Scrooge" for us in our home. While we do own and watch each of the various adaptations out there as well, and I know there are those who will say this one is really out there... it still works for so many, on so many levels, for all the right reasons. The film is, and always will be, a permanent fixture at our holidays. I was taken to the theater to see this during original release and it still conjures up vivid pictures and memories each time it is viewed, if only other movies had that ability. I wish you could enjoy it for what it truly conveys, honest feelings without the overly Hollywood blah/hype.

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It was not a "bomb" when it was released in fact it remains one of the biggest hits that Radio City Music Hall has ever seen. The nationwide release was marred by the demise of National General Pictures and Cinema Center Films, yes. But the film was revived on VHS and DVD (BY POPULAR DEMAND) and resurrected by Fox, almost unheard of for any movie that is not a mega-success.

It garnered 5 Oscar Nominations and though it is only shown during a 3 week period around the holidays....it is viewed on television by many more people than have ever seen "Oliver".
Hate it if you must, but there's something to be said about a musical that keeps coming back, year after year, for 44 years. Like "It's a Wonderful Life" it is a feel-bad-then-feel-good holiday classic.

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I'm watching it now and I can't believe how bad these songs are. They remind me of lucy ricardo's operetta "the pleasant peasant" only not as good.



"Who put the pineapple juice in my pineapple juice?"

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Hardly.

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The thing about this version, perhaps more than any of the others, is that it divides fans of the original story. It's such an odd version. Even I (who love it) can't really argue with some of the points made at the top of this thread. It's not like the original book, its true. Like all the other film versions it falls into the trap of needing to present Scrooge as totally bad so as to make his transformation more effective.Its a bit of a pantomime approach in a way but then Dickens was a very theatrical and an OTT performer and writer so I don't think he'd have worried about it being understated. It always makes me smile when people criticise it for not being like the original.There isn't a version made that is. Some audiences think the Sim version is definitive in that respect. It isn't- it contains whole scenes invented simply as an excuse to use on-loan, box-office, draw Jack Warner. Its status is such though, that many people regard it as being accurate and other versions have obviously been created, based on it, rather than the original work. Ultimately though, everyone has their own personal preference. This Scrooge is great. It's light and colourful. It gets in most of the relevant points that the author wanted without falling into the trap of putting the audience 'out of humour with themselves'. Surely a plus !

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I love this movie..how could you go wrong with this..what humbug to hate this.....but I do admit another factor, often discussed hereon, has been critized, the scary phantom skull and other scary things. What the Dickens.

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Oh crap, it appears the re-incarnations of several Ebenezer Scrooge's have reviewed this movie

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